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On today's episode we sit down with Jamie Keaton. Jamie's experience as a Black and non-binary actor, singer, musician, and spoken word poet has been defined by a passion for intersectional feminism, social justice, and advocacy. Jamie asked for us to include these words from Tupac Shakur which are meaningful to Jamie and represent their passion for raising their voice on these topics that are so vitally important. 

My momma used to say if you can’t find something to live for you’d best find something to die for. - Tupac Shakur

In this interview Cortland and Meghan chat with Jamie about race, sexuality, purity culture, and white supremacy. Jamie addresses these topics both in evangelicalism and in deconstruction spaces, and how it feels to always be relied on to say the thing and speak up against marginalization, discrimination, and oppression.

If you want to jump straight to the interview, head to 16:35.

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Today’s episode features guest Scott Okamoto, former professor at Azusa Pacific University who is currently writing a memoir and hosting a podcast that unpacks his experience as a faculty member at APU. Scott talks about his experience facilitating affinity groups, anti-racism on campus, the treatment of the LGBTQ community, and more. We hope our listeners will check out Scott’s website, and you can find him on Twitter and Instagram at @rsokamoto. Definitely stop whatever you’re doing now and subscribe to Scott’s podcast, Chapel Probation, wherever you listen to podcasts.

If you want to skip #twitbits and head straight to the interview, jump to 28:00.

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Today Cortland and Meghan sit down with Erin Green. Erin (She/They) is the Campus and Alumni Organizer for REAP. They are an affirming biblical scholar and LGBTQ+ activist. Erin has a Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Studies from Azusa Pacific University and an M.Div. from San Francisco Theological Seminary. Their specialties are in the entire Christian biblical corpus with an emphasis on the Hebrew Bible, the ancient Near East, exegesis, and how to employ various hermeneutical methods. Erin's passion is helping those excluded by the church to heal from spiritual abuse and trauma by navigating the biblical text in restorative ways.

Erin is best known for their work in supporting LGBTQ+ students on conservative, Christian university campuses and in religious spaces.

If you want to skip #twitbits and jump straight to the interview, head to 33:00.

We know you’ll enjoy this opportunity to hear Erin’s story, and we hope you check out their work. You can find Erin on Twitter @ErinGreenbean and Instagram @_runningerins_, and you can also find REAP on Twitter @REAP_LGBTQ and Instagram @reap_lgbtq.

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On today's episode Meghan and Cortland sit down with Daniel M. Lavery on today’s episode of the podcast. Daniel Lavery is the author of Something That May Shock and Discredit You, The Merry Spinster, and Texts From Jane Eyre. He is the co-founder of The Toast and the proprietor of the Chatner newsletter; formerly the Dear Prudence advice columnist at Slate. Daniel talks about his experience growing up in an evangelical mega church, attending a Christian college, understanding his own sexuality, and his gender transition. We hope you go get a copy of Daniel’s latest book, Something That May Shock and Discredit You. You can also find Daniel on Twitter @daniel_m_lavery and Instagram @daniel_m_lavery.

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As always, if you want to skip the #twitbits and head straight to the guest interview, jump to 25:20.

We mention the recently released memoir by Daniel's wife Grace Lavery, go pick up a copy of Please Miss today!

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On this BONUS episode, Cortland and Meghan talk through recent conversations about the new version of purity culture, sexual ethics, queer affirmation, and sex positivity. This unique episode doesn’t have a guest interview, but gives our listeners a window into the way we navigate dialogue about ethics and values on the other side of faith change. We know that we are always learning, and we want to point to the voices that we have learned so much from in this space. Please check out these creators and support their work. Also know that this is not an exhaustive list, it’s always growing, and we will continue to add to it!

Instagram/Twitter/Web:

Talk Purity to Me, Erica Smith, Meg Cowan, Dr. Tina Sellers, Jo Luehmann, Brenda Marie Davies (God is Grey), Ms. Charlotte, QueerTheology.com (Brian and Shay), The Snarky Gent, Tyler Krumland, Kevin Garcia, Alicia T. Crosby

Please check out this list of book recommendations shared in this tweet by Ms. Charlotte.

Books:

Pure by Linda Kay Klein

Beyond Shame: Creating a Healthy Sex Life on Your Own Terms by Matthias Roberts

#churchtoo by Emily Joy Allison

Sex, God, and the Conservative Church by Dr. Tina Sellers

Shameless by Nadia Bolz Weber

You Are Your Own by Jamie Lee Finch

Love Him Well by Tyler Krumland

On Her Knees: Memoir of a Prayerful Jezebel by Brenda Marie Davies

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In today’s episode, Cortland and Meghan talk to artist David Hayward known across the web as "Naked Pastor". After 30 years in the church, he left the ministry to pursue his passion for art. NakedPastor uses words and images to challenge the status quo, deconstruct dogma, and offer hope for those who struggle and suffer under it.

David is no stranger to belief systems - he holds a Masters in Theological Studies, as well as Diplomas in Religious Studies and Ministry, and University Teaching. His art expresses the stories and struggles of spiritual refugees and independent thinkers who question, doubt or oppose the confines of religion. Each piece encourages difficult conversations and acts as a catalyst for critical thinking.

If you want to jump straight to the interview, you can skip to 16:35.

You can find David’s art, writing, and merchandise on his website, and please follow him on social media at NakedPastor on Twitter @NakedPastor and Instagram @NakedPastor .

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Thanks for listening! Until next time.

In today’s episode, Cortland and Meghan talk with author Kevin Nye. Kevin works in homeless services and is releasing a book on homelessness and grace in August, 2022.  He sits down with us to tell his story, talk about his work, and give us his perspective on the intersection of faith and justice. You can check out Kevin’s website, sign up for his newsletter, and follow him on Twitter for updates on how to pre-order his book.

Also mentioned in the intro to the episode is this Twitter thread on pre-order book suggestions.

If you want to skip straight to the interview, jump to 23:00.

At the end of the episode, Meghan mentions the post-evangelical CCM karaoke night which you can sign up for here. Make sure you’re following the Thereafter podcast on Twitter and Instagram to stay updated on all the latest episodes and updates. You can follow Meghan on Twitter and Instagram @thepursuinglife and Cortland @cortlandcoffey on both. We love to hear from our listeners, and it’s always a great support when you leave us a review on Apple podcasts!

Today’s episode features an interview with Annie Rice, an immigration lawyer and alderwoman in St. Louis, MO. Annie joins us to talk about her deconstruction journey and how her desire to get involved in justice led her to the work she does now. Annie also gives us her perspective on abortion legislation that is being passed nationwide, how this legislation impacts what happens in states on a local level, and the historical roots behind the abortion debate. You don’t want to miss Annie bringing her wisdom and insight into faith, deconstruction, and politics.

If you want to jump straight to the interview, head to 26:48

In the interview, Annie mentions ways to get involved with the pro-choice movement. Some websites to check out are:

National Network of Abortion Funds

Repro Action

And recommended Twitter accounts to follow are:

Renee Bracey Sherman

Rewire News Group

And you can find Annie on Twitter @AnnieRiceStl

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