The New Abnormal host Andy Levy and guest host Jeb Lund think there’s only one way to respond to President Donald Trump’s talks of a third term and it isn’t polite. Then, activist and author Sandy Hudson stops by to discuss her new book, Defund: Black Lives, Policing, and Safety for All. Plus! Tech journalist Brian Merchant joins the podcast to talk about all things propaganda and protest in America’s new era.

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