In this exclusive interview, Adam talks to California-based artist Marc Horowitz (husband to previous guest Petra Cortright, a kind of full circle) to talk about his career and his life. Marc grew up "poor as fuck" in Middle America before moving to California to get a degree in business. One thing leading to the next, Marc eventually transitioned to being an artist after taking a painting class during his senior year. The first half of his career saw Marc staging elaborate conceptual projects that forced the art world to confront its own financial and cultural contradictions. But at some point, painting called him back. Since then, Marc has developed his own singular aesthetic in painting that blends modernist history with pop cultural tropes. He's also a rad dude and a good gossip, so enjoy!   Marc has a book coming out in the Fall, which will include a text written by your faithful host Adam Lehrer.   ANOTHER COUNTER-AGENT OF THE AVANT-GARDE MEETS HIS HANDLER   Soundtrack: Joy Division "Shadowplay (Live)" https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-coming-of-the-black-legions/1264216171?i=1264219080 Inade "The Coming of the Black Legions" https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-coming-of-the-black-legions/1264216171?i=1264219080 Funkadelic "Super Stupid" https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-coming-of-the-black-legions/1264216171?i=1264219080 Cecil Taylor "Crossing II" https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-coming-of-the-black-legions/1264216171?i=1264219080 Eyehategod "Methamphetamine" https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-coming-of-the-black-legions/1264216171?i=1264219080   LINKS: Marc Horowitz at Johannes Vogt Gallery http://www.johannesvogt.nyc/marc-horowitz/ Marc's archive: http://1833marcive.com/ Marc interviewed by his best professor and great surrealist photographer Charlie White: https://youtu.be/WiaQ0fJjzpc