When I think about the people who shaped the world of horse racing, D. Wayne Lukas is at the top of the list. But what struck me most in this conversation wasn’t the trophies; it was the tenderness. And the truth-telling. In this special moment, recorded in June of 2024, I sat down with the Hall of Fame trainer D. Wayne alongside Jena Antonucci, the first woman to win a Triple Crown race, for a conversation that spanned decades of horse racing history, personal transformation, and powerful mentorship.
D. Wayne opens up about what it really takes to be great, and how powerful it is to open the door for someone else. Jena shares what she has learned about how actions outpace words every time. We talk about what it really takes to build a lasting legacy, how to know when someone’s got what it takes to really make it, and why making space for others is just as important as crossing the finish line first.
What You’ll Discover:
• What Jena learned from D. Wayne outside the spotlight (08:40)
• How mentorship changed the course of Jena’s career (12:15)
• The difference between toughness and trust (15:44)
• What it means to show up, especially when no one’s watching (20:55)
• Reflections on legacy, loss, and leadership (27:38)
• Why this sport still has so much to teach us (34:02)
If you’ve ever had someone see something in you before you saw it in yourself, this episode will stay with you.
As we mourn the loss of Mr. Lukas and remember his impact, I’m honored to share this never-before-seen interview with you. For more from D. Wayne Lukas, be sure to tune into our previous episode where I shared part of my conversation with him at the 2025 Kentucky Derby (around 41:18), and check out this special blog post to see Mr. Lukas’s poems.
You can watch this interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/9_lksvamvhY
For a full transcript and more, check out our blog post: https://www.lindsaycz.com/show-notes/d-wayne-lukas-and-jena-antonucci
For more from Jena Antonucci, you can follow her on Instagram.