In the fall of 1864, General William Tecumseh Sherman led his infamous “March to the Sea,” a military campaign long mythologized—especially in Gone With the Wind—as a brutal assault on the white South. But over the past several decades, historians have chipped away at that Lost Cause narrative, revealing it as a distortion that casts Confederates as victims rather than instigators of wartime violence. Still, few have offered a full alternative account of what the March truly meant—until now.

In this episode, I speak with historian Bennett Parten about his powerful first book, Somewhere Toward Freedom: Sherman’s March and the Story of America’s Largest Emancipation. In just over 200 pages, Parten reframes the March as a defining moment in the history of slavery and freedom, focusing on the experiences of enslaved people who risked everything to follow Sherman’s army in search of liberation. It’s a gripping, deeply thoughtful work—and a much-needed corrective to long-standing myths.

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This episode is the second half of my conversation with George William Van Cleve. Last week, we explored the chaos of the 1780s following the American Revolution, as told in Van Cleve’s 2017 book We Have Not a Government, and how the U.S. Constitution emerged as a last-ditch attempt to hold the country together. We then began discussing his follow-up, Making a New American Constitution (2020), which proposes not only that a new Constitution is necessary today but outlines how a modern constitutional convention might actually work.

Here we go deeper into the practical and political obstacles to such a convention—and why, in Van Cleve’s view, nothing else is equal to the scale of America's dysfunction. As he argues, the country’s most pressing problems didn’t begin with Trump and won’t end with him; they’re much older, and deeply embedded in the constitutional order itself.

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George William Van Cleve, A Slaveholders’ Union:  Slavery, Politics, and the Constitution in the Early American Republic (2010)

— We Have Not a Government: The Articles of Confederation and the Road to the Constitution (2017)

— Making a New American Constitution (2020)

*** NOTE: I erroneously stated in the introduction to this episode that George William Van Cleve has taught at Georgetown University. In fact, he was a Dean’s Visiting Scholar from 2020-2025, but as a researcher, not a teacher.

Historian and legal scholar George William Van Cleve has written some of the most provocative and underappreciated works on the American constitutional tradition. His 2010 book A Slaveholders’ Union examined slavery’s central role in the framing of the Constitution, but it was his follow-up, We Have Not a Government, that made a lasting impression on me. That book explores the collapse of the American political system under the Articles of Confederation in the 1780s—a period of economic crisis, popular rebellion, and eventual constitutional overhaul.

Van Cleve followed that book in 2020 with Making a New American Constitution, a sweeping call to rewrite the U.S. Constitution for the present day. Unlike others who have floated the idea, Van Cleve outlines exactly how such a convention could work, where it would draw its legitimacy, and why it is urgently needed to address systemic dysfunction in American governance.

In this first of a two-part episode, we discuss the lessons of the 1780s and how that crisis spurred the drafting of an entirely new constitution. Next week, we’ll turn to the present—and what it would take to do the same today.

George William Van Cleve, A Slaveholders’ Union:  Slavery, Politics, and the Constitution in the Early American Republic (2010)

— We Have Not a Government: The Articles of Confederation and the Road to the Constitution (2017)

— Making a New American Constitution (2020)

I’ve always had a soft spot for what you might call “year books”—not the high school kind, but those immersive histories that zoom in on a single calendar year to show how change unfolds in real time. Some years lend themselves especially well to this treatment, and 1963 is one of them: the year of Birmingham and the March on Washington, of Dr. King’s “Dream” and JFK’s assassination. In his new book, Freedom Season: How 1963 Transformed America’s Civil Rights Revolution, historian Peniel Joseph captures the urgency and upheaval of that pivotal year, tracing how a movement long in the making finally broke through to reshape American law and society.

We spoke about how the momentum of 1963 led to the landmark Civil Rights Act—and how, disturbingly, the very gains of that era are now under renewed threat. In a moment when civil rights laws are being weakened or cynically repurposed, Joseph’s book offers both a reminder of what was achieved and a call to reckon with how much remains unfinished. It’s a timely and necessary look back at a year that still echoes loudly today.

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Music by Akiko Sasaki (“The Union,” by Louis Moreau Gottschalk) and Zachary Solomon

What do most of us really know about the history of Chinese Americans? For many, it begins and ends with the railroads or the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. That’s what makes Michael Luo’s new book, Strangers in the Land: Exclusion, Belonging, and the Epic Story of the Chinese in America, such an essential work. It tells the sweeping, often harrowing story of a community that faced violence, discrimination, and expulsion—but nonetheless built a life here. It’s a deeply American story, both in its dreams and its brutal realities. Luo, executive editor of The New Yorker, traces not just how Chinese immigrants were excluded, but also how they insisted on belonging, even as they became targets of one of the most sustained racial backlashes in U.S. history.

In this episode of Think Back, Michael and I talk about the little-known lynchings that terrorized Chinese communities in the 19th century, the role of Chinese exclusion in shaping America’s racial and political order after the Civil War, and the eerie echoes of that past in our own moment—from the spike in anti-Asian hate during the Covid pandemic to debates over citizenship and immigration in the Trump era.

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Music by Akiko Sasaki (“The Union,” by Louis Moreau Gottschalk) and Zachary Solomon

Donald Trump recently said he wasn’t sure if a president is obligated to uphold the Constitution—a striking admission from someone who’s twice sworn an oath to do just that. Trump’s indifference to the Constitution continues to pose a serious threat to American democracy. At the same time, this moment invites deeper reflection on the document itself: What exactly are we defending, and does the Constitution deserve the near-sacred status it's acquired in American political life?

In this episode of THINK BACK, I talk with Aziz Rana, professor of law and government at Boston College and author of The Constitutional Bind: How Americans Came to Idolize a Document That Fails Them. We explore how the Constitution has historically limited democracy, from its roots in elite counterrevolution to its Cold War-era transformation into a quasi-religious symbol of American exceptionalism. Rana’s work urges us to revisit older debates—once common in American life—about the Constitution’s flaws and the urgent need for reform or reinvention in the face of democratic backsliding.

Aziz Rana, The Two Faces of American Freedom (2010) and The Constitutional Bind: How Americans Came to Idolize a Document that Fails Them (2024)

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The 250th anniversary celebration of the American Revolution is about to get underway in Lexington and Concord, the towns just outside Boston where British redcoats first clashed with colonial rebels. But just a day later and hundreds of miles south, a more complicated and perhaps more consequential clash occurred between the royal governor of Virginia and leading revolutionaries like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Patrick Henry. Those, though less well known, led to a British emancipation proclamation, which, like Abraham Lincoln’s later edict, though fourscore and eight years earlier, promised to arm enslaved people in exchange for their liberty.

Even if you think you know the American Revolution, you likely do not know this angle to the story, and definitely not in the kind of rich detail offered in a new book by Andrew Lawler called A Perfect Frenzy: A Royal Governor, His Black Allies, and the Crisis That Spurred the American Revolution. For this episode of Think Back, I spoke with Andrew about Dunmore, a figure either missing or badly mischaracterized in most books about the American Revolution, as well as larger questions about the meaning of the Revolution.

We seem to be living in a reenactment of the Gilded Age: tariffs, territorial expansion, oligarchic control of politics, assassination attempts, a democracy that is straining at the seams. Overlooked and misunderstood, it’s an important period to reconsider. What did it take to leave that tumultuous, surprisingly violent period behind—and what were the costs of the reforms adopted to end it?

The person to ask about this is Jon Grinspan, the political curator of the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of American History. Jon is the author of three books, mostly recently Wide Awake: The Forgotten Force That Elected Lincoln and Spurred the Civil War (2024), as well as The Age of Acrimony: How Americans Fought to Fix Their Democracy, 1865-1915 (2019), which we mostly focus on in this conversation.

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Music: "The Union," by Louis Moreau Gottschalk, played by Akiko Sasaki; segue music by Zachary Solomon

I am wildly excited that publication day is finally here for my new book, Fear No Pharaoh: American Jews, the Civil War, and the Fight to End Slavery.

It’s a very strange feeling to have worked on something, largely in solitude, for so long, and now for it to finally be made available to the world.

In this episode I share some thoughts about the book’s origins and the six main characters whose lives in the period I follow against the background of a much larger story about the Jewish encounter with American slavery, the political debate over its future, and the four-year armed struggle that finally ended it. Many of the same debates we’re having today—about race, religion, morality, politics, justice—were had back then, in remarkably similar terms if in a completely different historical context.

There’s a lot more to the book than I could possibly get into here, so I do hope you’ll check it out. Publisher’s Weekly calls it “riveting…. Readers will be engrossed.”

I’ll be back next week with a proper Think Back episode, another interview with a historian who has some really insightful things to say about an often misunderstood era in American history. In the meantime, I’d be grateful if you’d follow, like, rate, and review the podcast—and above all share with friends. And please pick up a copy of the book!

Amy Greenberg, a historian at Penn State University, talks about the role of masculinity in the idea of Manifest Destiny, both today and in the era when that phrase originally became popular, the 1840s, a time of falling economic mobility for men and new opportunities for women. Greenberg is the author of several books about American history, including Manifest Manhood and the Antebellum American Empire (2005); A Wicked War: Polk, Clay, Lincoln and the 1846 U. S. Invasion of Mexico (2012); and Lady First: The World of First Lady Sarah Polk (2019).

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