This is a short excerpt of my conversation with Preston Hegel which focusses on a story about the moment things changed for him.  If you like this have a listen of the hour long interview with him and check out other episodes at www.theseeds.nz 

Earlier long form interview with Preston https://open.spotify.com/episode/7pid2ADH8O8Jr3jPnC2uXl?si=TwY6BsDZS4OZmiUZfmYs7A

Board Matters podcast https://www.iod.org.nz/news/articles/board-matters-podcast/#