Thomas Chatterton Williams talks with Dave Ross about how his view of himself, as a black American and prolific writer on race issues, shifted after he moved to France, married a white woman, and then gave birth to blonde haired, blue eyed children.

What did it mean to be black if his children didn't look black at all? And how can we shift our understanding and discussion of what it means to be black, or white?

The book is Self Portrait in Black and White.