Full chat with Thomas Frank and Matt Karp: https://www.patreon.com/posts/116026597

Journalist Thomas Frank and historian Matt Karp discuss how Kamala Harris lost. But first, Palestinian Youth Movement organizer Lea Kayali talks about the "Mask Off Maersk" campaign which seeks to cut ties with one of the world’s largest shipping and logistics companies that directly ships weapons and weapons components that facilitate Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people.

Thomas Frank is an American political analyst, historian, and journalist. He co-founded and edited The Baffler magazine and is the author of the books

"What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America," "Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?", "The People, No: A Brief History of Anti-Populism," among others. From 2008 to 2010 he wrote "The Tilting Yard", a column in The Wall Street Journal.

Matthew Karp is an Associate Professor of History at Princeton University and the author of "This Vast Southern Empire: Slaveholders at the Helm of American Foreign Policy," (Harvard University Press). Karp is now at work on two books, both under contract with Farrar, Straus, & Giroux."Millions of Abolitionists: The Republican Party and the Political War on Slavery," is about the emergence of American antislavery mass politics. His other book is a meditation on the politics of U.S. history, and explores the ways that narratives of the American experience both serve and shape different ideological ends — in the nineteenth century, the twentieth century, and today. Karp is a contributing editor for Jacobin. His work has also appeared in The Nation, The Boston Review, and The London Review of Books.

Lea Kayali is an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement (PYM), a transnational, independent, grassroots movement of young Palestinians and Arabs in diaspora. In her organizing, she has supported the Evict Elbit campaign which ousted the weapons manufacturer from their innovation hub in Massachusetts, and was involved in the Harvard Out of Occupied Palestine encampment. She is currently organizing with the PYM’s Mask Off MAERSK campaign, which aims to expose the logistics giant’s role in facilitating the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.

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