Trigger warning: this episode contains Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn’s testimony regarding what he encountered as a Black officer defending the Capitol during the January 6 failed fascist coup attempt. His testimony contains racial slurs which he was subjected to that are disturbing/triggering.

Sam Goldman interviews Tim Wise, anti-racism educator and author of Dispatches from the Race War. Follow him on Twitter @timjacobwise and read more of his writings at timjwise.medium.com. The article by Jeff Sharlet that Sam quotes from can be read in full here: “They Sought to Convert Us”: Officers’ January 6 Testimony Reveals the Riot’s Dark Righteousness.

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown.