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Part 1 of 2. A single point of frustration in a loaner car brings us back to a point from episode 8: the fundamentals are settled in designing a car, so what happens when a manufacturer tries to change one anyway? We talk spy planes, disruption in the PRNDL space, and more.

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After two car-critical episodes, Peter and Rory explain what they like about multi-class sportscar endurance racing and rally as formats. We recorded this before Petit Le Mans and the Lake Superior Performance Rally—make sure to subscribe to hear episode 10 when they report back!

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We take one last look back at Saturn and useful consumer goods, then turn to the financialized future. From automotive ''Autopilot'' to Generative AI, we aren't the only ones asking: ''Who's buying this stuff?''

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The first half of our Saturn two-parter situates us in the disorientation of the post-Cold War 90's with Nirvana and Waco, to try and explain the weirdness to come... but first, new car tech headaches and Lux Interior's unlikely ride.

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That Waco article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/1993/04/22/cultist-i-wish-i-had-been-in-waco/

Hill Climb postscript, how to get a bug out of your ear canal, Rory chimes in on the "Are cars bad?" question, and we each introduce ourselves by confessing our sins, i.e. listing the contents of our respective personal automotive stables.

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