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Modern law firms are drowning in fragmented tools and leaky funnels—Daniel Steinberg reveals how to turn your intake process into a conversion engine and finally understand which marketing dollars are actually working.

In this episode, Ted and Daniel Steinberg discuss:

• How Daniel’s experience at Clio, Influitive, and EY led to the creation of Law Broker
• Why traditional “contact us” forms create leaky funnels for law firms
• How Law Broker’s front-end experiences and back-end dashboard provide true first-click attribution
• Different use cases for PI vs. family/estate firms (high volume vs. pre-qualification)
• The three-legged growth stack for modern firms: calls, chat, and digital intake

Key Takeaways:

• Law Broker was born out of Daniel’s realization—while at Clio and working with Google My Business—that there was a huge gap between how consumers buy everyday products online and how they’re forced to engage with law firms.
• The platform replaces static contact forms with conversational, gamified workflows that can deliver, on average, a 3–5x lift in web traffic-to-lead conversion compared to traditional forms.
• While the client-facing experience is powerful, most buyers adopt Law Broker primarily for the backend analytics and attribution, which help them see true first-click sources across Google, Meta, YouTube, and more.
• Different practice areas leverage Law Broker differently: high-volume PI and criminal firms focus on maximizing conversion lift, while family and estate planning firms often use it to pre-qualify and reduce “noise” in consultations.
• Law Broker positions itself at the intersection of intake, marketing, and operations, coexisting with tools like CallRail (calls) and Juvo (chat) to form a three-legged growth stack rather than trying to rip and replace existing chat solutions.

"Regardless, even if you're using this as a screening tool, at the end of the day, the lift that our clients see on average is a three to 5x lift."  — Daniel Steinberg

About Daniel Steinberg: Daniel Steinberg is the Founder and CEO of Lawbrokr, a legal growth platform that helps law firms modernize client intake, improve conversion rates, and create exceptional client experiences through conversational, conversion-focused workflows.

Prior to founding Lawbrokr, Daniel held leadership roles at Clio, Influitive, and Ernst & Young, building deep expertise at the intersection of legal technology, marketing technology, and professional services. Today, he works with law firms across North America to streamline intake, qualify leads faster, and drive measurable growth. Daniel is also the host of the Behind the Bench podcast, where he explores the real stories behind building and scaling modern law firms.

Connect with Daniel Steinberg: 

Website: https://www.lawbrokr.com/

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Law firms that think “great SEO” is enough are about to disappear from AI-driven search. In this episode, discover how AI visibility strategist April Atwater future‑proofs firms, so they become the default answer in Google, ChatGPT, Claude, and beyond.

In this episode, Ted and April Atwater discuss:

• How April evolved from early Google Maps projects and blogging to leading AI-focused legal marketing
• Why AI hallucinations and entity confusion are a real risk for law firms’ online reputations
• The difference between traditional SEO and AEO/AI visibility (schema, FAQs, maps, and technical structure)
• How Google’s emerging “Web Guide” experience will change how clients discover and choose law firms
• The critical role of consistent listings, high‑quality mentions, and ongoing content in staying visible to AI

Key Takeaways:

• AI visibility (including AEO and generative search optimization) is a new layer on top of SEO; firms that don’t add it risk becoming invisible in AI answers even if they currently rank #1 in traditional Google search.
• Law firms must ensure absolute consistency across all listings (name, address, phone, even “LLC” vs. no “LLC”), or AI may treat each variation as a different entity and dilute their authority.
• Schema markup, robust FAQ sections, and updated “living” content help AI understand exactly who a firm is, what it does, and why it should be the authoritative answer for specific legal queries.
• High‑quality citations and mentions on trusted legal and local sites (like Avvo and bar associations) now matter as much as, or more than, traditional backlinks for building expertise, authority, and trust in AI systems.
• Many firms that treated SEO as “one and done” are still coasting on old foundational work, but Google’s new AI‑driven experiences will rapidly erase that advantage if they don’t reinvest and modernize their strategy.

"Early days, this is essential. That's what you want to be. You want to be in on the early days, because someone could be, you know, in the getting all top five answers on Google, but you could come in and all of a sudden just pop right above them and they become invisible to AI."  — April Atwater

About April Atwater: April Atwater is the President of Dashing Digital Marketing and a seasoned SEO and AI Visibility strategist. With 18 years of experience, she specializes in "Architecting Digital Authority" for law firms and highly regulated industries. April helps attorneys stay ahead of the curve by optimizing their visibility across both traditional search engines and evolving AI discovery platforms, ensuring they become the top recommendation for modern clients.

Connect with April Atwater: 

Website: https://www.dashingdigital.co

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aprilatwater  

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dashing.digital.seo   

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dashing.digital.seo   

Substack: https://substack.com/@dashingdigitalmarketing   YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@dashing.digital.marketing

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When COVID wiped out 40% of his agency’s revenue overnight, Robert Cooper didn’t downsize—he doubled down on sales, analytics, and PPC. In this episode, he breaks down exactly how data-driven marketing, smart positioning, and disciplined follow-up turned a near-fatal setback into record growth for service-based and legal businesses.

In this episode, Ted and Robert Cooper discuss:

• How Robert pivoted from a struggling print shop to running multi-million-dollar online marketing campaigns
• The landing page A/B tests from the early 2000s that still beat most modern copy approaches
• Why owner-run service businesses (especially law firms) win when they obsess over analytics and ROI
• How COVID forced a 40% revenue loss—and led to doubling the agency through disciplined sales and CRM follow-up
• The realities of PPC in legal and service industries, including lifetime value, Google Premier Partner status, and the impact of AI search

Key Takeaways:

• Early A/B testing with massive email lists and high-volume e-commerce taught Robert that combining concise, high-impact copy at the top of a page with longer, detailed content below consistently outperforms “short vs. long copy” extremes.
• After losing 40% of their business overnight during COVID—largely from tourism and hospitality clients—Robert chose not to cut his team but to pull himself out of client delivery and get “serious about sales,” ultimately doubling the agency’s size by the end of the pandemic.
• Robert’s agencies thrive with owner-run businesses that care more about “the most logical thing”—more leads, more cases, more revenue—than about internal politics, allowing them to make decisions grounded in clear reporting and performance metrics.
• In competitive verticals like legal and wellness, customer lifetime value is often the real lever; a chiropractor or estate lawyer may not recoup ad spend on the first transaction, but long-term client relationships can justify significantly higher acquisition costs.
• As a Google Premier Partner, Robert sees both the upside and the limits of Google’s automation: recommendations can help DIY advertisers, but in high-stakes, competitive niches like law and home services, expert, hands-on PPC management still makes the difference between profitable campaigns and “getting slaughtered.”

"You could go as long as you liked, as long as you punctuated things with strong calls to action, where it was appropriate, and those outperformed standalone short copy or standalone long copy pages."  — Robert Cooper

About Robert Cooper: Robert Cooper is a digital marketing strategist with over 25 years of experience in search marketing, SEO, PPC, copywriting, and inbound marketing. Since beginning his career in 2001, he has helped service-based businesses, including law firms, grow through practical, performance-driven marketing strategies.

He is the founder of PlusROI Online Marketing and What Works Marketing, where he focuses on search marketing, thought leadership, and helping businesses adapt to the evolving impact of AI on digital marketing.

Connect with Robert Cooper: 

Websites: https://whatworks.marketing/ , https://plusroi.com/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertecooper/

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When your “ideal client” is anyone who can be injured or drive a car, your marketing can’t be one-dimensional. In this episode, Al Ludwig breaks down how top personal injury firms dominate their markets with brand, media, and operations working together as one ecosystem.

In this episode, Ted and Al Ludwig discuss:

• The journey from automotive marketing to leading legal marketing at scale
• Why personality- and founder-driven branding works so well in personal injury
• How PMP Marketing Group stewards an entire marketing ecosystem for PI firms
• Using mass media, SEO, PPC, and operations consulting to drive real case growth
• Creative, attention-grabbing campaigns that turn local buzz into long-term brand equity

Key Takeaways:

• Personal injury marketing wins when it’s personality-driven and trust-based, putting the firm’s founder and story at the center rather than just pushing a “service.”
• The strongest PI firms treat marketing as a full ecosystem—brand, TV, billboards, streaming, Meta ads, PPC, SEO, and operations—rather than isolated channels or vendors.
• Growing a firm often requires expanding beyond only “perfect” high-fee cases; taking more modest cases builds a larger former-client base that reliably feeds in higher-value referrals over time.
• Mass media efforts (TV, billboards, big creative stunts) can supercharge SEO by generating organic brand mentions and backlinks competitors can’t easily replicate.
• The best agencies act as strategic partners: they advise on intake, legal ops, and media strategy, bring bold creative ideas when the owner is ready, and focus every campaign on one core outcome—generating more quality cases.

"There's no level of marketing I can do to mimic that outside. Just take the cases."  — Al Ludwig

About Al Ludwig: Al Ludwig is the CEO of Practice Made Perfect (PMP Marketing Group), where he helps personal injury law firms grow through strategic branding and performance marketing. Drawing on experience in both agency leadership and as Head of Marketing for a nine-figure personal injury law firm, Al advises plaintiff firms on marketing strategy across TV, SEO, Meta advertising, direct response, and brand development.

Connect with Al Ludwig: 

Website: https://www.pmpmg.com/ 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pmpmg 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alludwigx/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pmpmarketinggroup/ 

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AI has quietly rewritten the personal injury client journey—leaving even top-ranking firms virtually invisible when prospects turn to ChatGPT, Claude, and Google’s AI Overviews. In this episode, you’ll hear how Nick Kringas is using Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) to bring those firms back into the spotlight.

In this episode, Ted and Nick Kringas discuss:

• How Nick went from running a family restaurant to becoming a pioneer in personal injury law firm marketing
• Why traditional SEO is no longer enough in an AI-first search landscape
• What “AI invisibility” is and why most law firms suffer from it despite strong SEO authority
• The basics of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and how it differs from ranking on Google
• How law firms can future‑proof their marketing by standing out in AI-generated recommendations

Key Takeaways:

• Decades of investment in SEO and domain authority are not reliably translating into visibility inside AI models, leaving most law firms “AI invisible” when injured people ask AI for help.
• The injured consumer journey has shifted dramatically: prospects now tell their whole story to AI first, get tailored answers instantly, and only later—if at all—reach out to an attorney.
• Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) focuses on getting firms recommended inside AI answers, not on ranking in a list of 10 blue links, and requires different tactics than traditional SEO.
• User-generated content, trusted directories, and holistic reputation signals matter more to AI systems than a firm’s own claims about being “the best” on its website.
• Firms that move early on AEO can lock in a durable advantage similar to early SEO winners, while those who delay will find it increasingly difficult to break into AI recommendation sets in the coming years.

“Out of all 100 firms, there was a 0.076 correlation between SEO authority and AI visibility.” — Nick Kringas

About Nick Kringas: Nick Kringas is the founder of LawShift and a longtime innovator in the personal injury marketing industry. Over the course of 13 years, he helped generate more than $400 million in revenue for personal injury law firms, giving him a front-row seat to the rapid changes reshaping the legal marketplace.

As competition intensified and traditional growth strategies became less effective, Nick saw the need for a different approach. Rather than simply optimizing existing systems, he founded LawShift with a clear mission: use AI to better serve injured individuals. His belief is simple—when technology helps people find the right legal support faster and more effectively, law firm growth naturally follows. Today, Nick is focused on building AI-driven solutions that connect injured consumers with the help they need while helping law firms adapt to the future of legal services.

Connect with Nick Kringas: 

Website: LawShift.ai

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickkringas/

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Law firms are pouring money into Google Ads and still wondering why the phones aren’t ringing. In this episode, Brian Hansen breaks down the “Attorney Growth Engine” he uses to help ambitious firms dominate markets with multi-location SEO and Local Service Ads.

In this episode, Ted and Brian Hansen discuss:

• The Attorney Growth Engine framework and why law firms are craving objective strategic guidance over sales pitches
• How Rocket Pilots narrowed its focus to multi-location SEO for PI firms and what truly makes a market “profitable”
• The real differences between Local Service Ads (LSAs) and Google Ads, and why LSAs usually win on cost per case
• How responsiveness score, intake quality, and “sign and release” decisions make or break LSA performance
• The rising importance of review velocity, AI-powered analysis, and Google’s evolving review rules for law firms

Key Takeaways:

• Brian’s Attorney Growth Engine centers on three pillars: consistent, qualified lead generation; a refined potential new client conversion experience; and an AI‑enabled marketing tech stack that supports smarter decisions across the funnel.
• Rocket Pilots wins by saying no to being “full service” and going deep instead on multi-location SEO and LSAs for ambitious PI firms that want to “let it rip” rather than settle for incremental growth.
• Strategic office placement—based on population, socioeconomics, competitors, and review landscape, not just where the attorney grew up—can unlock entirely new growth markets for PI practices.
• In most scenarios, LSAs beat Google Ads on cost per case, but only when firms execute on speed-to-lead, strong intake, and a “sign now, release later if needed” mindset so they don’t lose cases to impatient prospects.
• A firm’s responsiveness score and review velocity are now critical LSA levers; agencies like Rocket Pilots are using tools like Claude to analyze competitors’ review trends and guide firms to outpace them without triggering Google’s review filters.

“I would say in 99% of those cases in those situations, the cost per case in LSA is just going to be more cost-effective, it just is, right? It's just the cost per lead, and now there is pressure on the law firm to execute.” — Brian Hansen

About Brian Hansen: Brian Hansen is the Founder of Rocket Pilots, a digital marketing agency focused on helping law firms dominate their local markets. He specializes in SEO, Google Ads, landing pages, and strategic marketing consulting, with an emphasis on measurable performance and client acquisition for attorneys.

Through hundreds of campaigns and continuous testing, Brian has developed proven systems that help law firms attract consistent clients and improve return on ad spend. Known for his transparent, no-nonsense approach, he works with firms that want to move beyond empty promises and focus on real, trackable growth.

Brian helps ambitious law firms exceed revenue targets through SEO, GEO, and LSAs, and is passionate about discussing emerging trends in search, AI, and how attorneys can prepare for the evolving digital landscape.

Connect with Brian Hansen: 

Website: https://rocketpilots.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianghansen/

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Law firms aren’t losing cases because of bad marketing—they’re losing them at the very first phone call. In this episode, discover how David Haskins uses AI to spot hidden “lead leaks” in intake and turn them into seven‑figure wins.

In this episode, Ted and David Haskins discuss:

• How a scrappy, four-location firm shaped David’s obsession with intake performance
• The evolution from manual call audits to Speed AI analyzing 100% of intake calls
• “Lead leaks”: the 130+ ways firms silently lose qualified cases at intake
• Real-world lead rescue stories, from ICU catastrophics to missed pain stimulator surgeries
• The KPIs, tech stack, and coaching processes behind best-in-class intake teams

Key Takeaways:

• Most firms dramatically overestimate their “wanted lead to signed case” rate; when intake is actually measured and coached, firms in David’s Intake Accelerator have doubled—and often tripled—results on the same ad spend.
• Speed AI listens to every intake call, grades case quality and agent performance, and flags missed opportunities in minutes, doing work that would take humans 55+ hours per day at volume.
• The “lead leak list” has grown to over 130 specific intake failures, from weak call control and missing contact info to subtle misclassifications (like confusing workers’ comp with employment law).
• Lead Rescue gives firms a second shot at high‑value cases by surfacing missteps—such as misunderstood dates, missed injuries, or a caller talking about employees rather than themselves—that would otherwise look like rejects in the CRM.
• With integrations into major VoIP and call tracking systems and customizable criteria by practice area and process, Speed AI becomes a universal intake coach that pays for itself if it rescues even a single solid case every month or two.

“Lead leak is a term that I coined to define any action or inaction that happens on a call that causes the firm to lose out on signing up the case.” — David Haskins

About David Haskins: David Haskins is the Founder and CEO of DRIVE Law Firm Marketing and Co-Founder and Chief Futurist of SPEED AI. With over 15 years of experience in legal marketing, he has helped more than 200 law firms grow through data-driven strategy, intake optimization, and performance-focused systems. He began his career in 2009 helping launch and scale Attorney David Aylor’s firm to four locations in three years, an experience that shaped his belief that every lead and every case matters.

Building on that foundation, David focused on solving one of the biggest barriers to growth: intake conversion. He created the Intake Accelerator to identify “lead leaks” and improve case conversion, and later co-founded SPEED AI, an AI-powered platform that analyzes intake calls in real time, scores case quality, and delivers actionable coaching insights to help law firms turn intake into a competitive advantage. He also coined the term Lead Leak™ to describe breakdowns in intake that cause lost cases.

Connect with David Haskins: 

Website: https://wedrivecases.com/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/skinnysc/ 

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When AI-generated content floods the internet, how do law firms still stand out, rank, and truly connect with clients in crisis? In this episode, Austin Hunt breaks down a human-centered, AI-savvy approach to legal SEO that outranks even the government—and actually earns trust.

In this episode, Ted and Austin Hunt discuss:

• How Austin went from Starbucks barista and professional dancer to running a specialized legal SEO agency
• The three main disciplines of modern SEO for law firms: content, backlinks, and continuous optimization
• Why Austin is shifting from “SEO” language to “AI and search visibility” in a post-ChatGPT world
• Using storytelling and emotional resonance to turn legal content into client-converting experiences
• How Legal Guardian Digital differentiates itself with deep client interviews, thought leadership, and AI recommendation strategies

Key Takeaways:

• Austin’s journey into digital marketing started with curiosity, a supportive partner in tech, and a willingness to “take all the scraps” in SEO until he mastered the craft.
• Legal Guardian Digital focuses on three disciplines—ongoing content development, selective backlinking, and data-driven on-page optimization—while increasingly framing its work as AI and search visibility.
• By deeply understanding client avatars and leveraging a proprietary AI-assisted writing tool, Austin’s team has created legal content that can outrank even government sites for complex tax terms like foreign FBAR issues.
• Austin argues that legal content shouldn’t just answer questions; it should meet prospects emotionally, positioning the law firm as the guide and the client as the hero, which dramatically increases the likelihood of contact and case retention.
• Rather than chasing only bottom-of-funnel “hire a lawyer now” searches, Austin’s strategy is to intercept prospects earlier in their research journey—sometimes weeks before they ever search “tax attorney”—by writing genuinely helpful, empathetic content.

“If someone reads your article, it has the answer, and it connects to them emotionally. They're gonna call, and they're gonna book, and they're gonna sign.” — Austin Hunt

About Austin Hunt: Austin Hunt is the CEO and Founder of Legal Guardian Digital, a leading agency specializing in SEO for law firms and AI search optimization. He has dedicated his career to helping attorneys connect with prospective clients through digital marketing strategies that are effective, ethical, and built for long-term success.

Through his work, Austin helps law firms increase their online visibility, attract qualified leads, and achieve sustainable growth through strategic SEO and data-driven marketing initiatives.

Austin is also the co-founder of Legalwrite, an AI-powered content platform designed specifically for law firms, delivering high-quality, search-optimized content that helps attorneys establish authority, improve rankings, and reach the clients who need them most.

Connect with Austin Hunt: 

Website: https://legalguardian.io/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/austin-hunt-seo/ 

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Discover how Graham Griffin used custom AI systems, deep content clustering, and multi-channel repurposing to transform a struggling law firm website into a 2–3x organic traffic engine in under a year—without sacrificing brand voice or quality.

In this episode, Ted and Graham Griffin discuss:

• Graham’s journey from journalist and researcher to leading digital strategy in legal marketing
• How Angel Reyes & Associates pivoted from agency-driven chaos to a focused in-house marketing engine
• Building 150-piece content clusters using real intake questions, SEO data, and AI
• The custom multi-step GPT workflows that cut blog production from 4 hours to under 30 minutes of human time
• Firm-wide AI adoption, from slide decks and user testing to case management inside Litify

Key Takeaways:

• Moving marketing in-house allowed Angel Reyes & Associates to focus on their own brand, enforce standards, and eliminate the “one of 10 clients” agency problem.
• By designing topic clusters (like a 150-article insurance cluster) around real intake questions, People Also Ask data, and SEO research, the team builds true topical authority instead of chasing isolated keywords.
• A six-step, custom GPT-driven content pipeline now drafts full blog posts in about three minutes, with only 20–30 minutes of human editing needed to hit their quality bar.
• Running specialized models via API (including custom GPTs, Claude for language, and Gemini for visuals) keeps costs low—roughly ~$15 for testing around 100 blogs—while maintaining a strong brand voice with an 8,000-word style prompt.
• Breaking down channel silos and repurposing strong blog content into email campaigns and social posts has helped drive a 2–3x increase in organic users in roughly a year.

“Needless to say, we've leaned in heavily on AI and automation, and not to get overly technical, but it's kind of call it six-ish step process that runs through custom GPTs to do a couple different tasks, and then the last touch is always a human editor.” — Graham Griffin

About Graham Griffin: Graham Griffin leads web, video, and social media strategy at Angel Reyes & Associates. He has spent over six years integrating AI into content workflows, from early text-to-speech tools to building custom GPT prompts within weeks of ChatGPT's 2022 launch. Today, he develops AI-powered systems, including digital avatars, automated pipelines, and proprietary GPT applications that scale output while preserving brand voice.

In eight months, his work has contributed to a 120% increase in web-driven cases and nearly 10X growth in organic intake year over year. He has grown the firm's AI overview visibility by 200% and positioned it in ChatGPT results for the best personal injury lawyer queries.

Graham specializes in integrating AI into legal marketing while building the guardrails to keep content accurate, compliant, and human.

Connect with Graham Griffin: 

Website: reyeslaw.com 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reyes.law/ 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AngelReyesandAssociates/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@reyeslaw 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/reyeslaw/ 

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reyes.law

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Most law firms are swimming in marketing data—but almost none can clearly see which dollars are actually turning into signed cases. In this episode, you’ll hear how Rafi Arbel built a legal marketing agency and proprietary platform that finally connects campaigns to real case outcomes.

In this episode, Ted and Rafi Arbel discuss:

• Why do most law firm marketing vendors over-index on vanity metrics instead of real case volume
• How Firm Pilot builds a closed, law-specific AI data environment instead of relying on generic ChatGPT outputs
• Using embedding models and competitive intelligence to reverse-engineer what top competitors are doing (and then beat them)
• Autonomous “agents” that monitor competitors’ content and update your pages before you even wake up
• Automating high-quality link outreach at scale with headless browsers and AI-driven personalization

Key Takeaways:

• Firm Pilot’s core mission is not to “kill agencies,” but to replace 20–30 years of templated, gut-driven marketing with precise, data-backed execution for law firms.
• Generic ChatGPT content fails in legal because it’s trained on broad internet data; Firm Pilot solves this by building a closed-box, law-only knowledge graph that produces deep, authoritative legal content.
• By using embedding models to compare a firm’s entire content library against 8–12 local competitors, Firm Pilot can identify exactly how to write and structure pages that win for specific queries.
• Always-on AI agents continuously scan competitors’ updates—such as changes to truck accident practice pages—and automatically enrich a client’s content around gaps like liability, statutes of limitations, and injury types.
• Firm Pilot’s AI-driven outreach and link-building system, powered by headless browsers and multi-threaded personalized email, compresses what used to take years of manual work into minutes while staying targeted and non-spammy.

"Websites don't convert. Individual URLs convert." — Rafi Arbel

About Rafi Arbel: Rafi Arbel started Market JD, an agency that markets law firms online. Leveraging his combined expertise in law, business, and technology, he helps small and medium-sized law firms grow their practices. He is a licensed attorney, and he earned an MBA, with honors, from the University of Chicago, Booth School of Business.

Rafi provides his clients with digital marketing solutions that drive growth, such as Website development, inbound marketing, paid advertising, social media, and search engine optimization.

He lives in the Chicago area with his wife, Jennifer, their three boys, and two Goldendoodles.

Connect with Rafi Arbel: 

Website: http://marketjd.com 

LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rafiarbel/

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