Transformative pioneer, Charlene Afremow shares her journey in the world of transformation and her experiences with leading transformative work since the mid 60’s. She discusses the importance of making choices from nothing and the difference between coaching and training. Charlene also expresses her concerns about the current state of the world and the lack of character and listening in society. The conversation touches on various topics such as personal growth, relationships, and the impact of transformation on individuals and society. In this conversation, Charlene Afremow reflects on her life experiences and the challenges she faces as she gets older. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the legacy of transformational work and the possibility of creating a shift in the world.

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