While at the NTA convention in Michigan Rich and Sandi got the chance to sit down with Mark Zagger, founder of Coyote U and the genus behind the Pipe Dream Set. Mark talks about his history as a trapper, how to earn and manage landowner permissions as well as the brutal environmental conditions that led to the revolutionary Pipe Dream Set 

Rich and Sandi are out at their remote trapline cabin putting up their fire wood for the coming winter. Topics include making time, body grip trap treatment and a new secret contest. 

While at the National Trappers Association convention in Escanaba Michigan Rich and Sandi get a chance to sit down with Jeff and talk trapping. How Jeff got started, what brought about the HAGz bracket and the trials and tribulations of taking a dream idea from the fur shed to the store shelf. Jeff is a great interview and lots of laughs.

In the first episode Rich and Sandi talk about the new podcast and fill in some of the blanks about themselves, where they live and their registered trapline.