Have you seen "May December" on Netflix? Hot garbage in our opinion... we really don't even know what that movie was trying to convey. This is an incredibly important story though. Ash recently spoke with Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) cult survivors, siblings Shelly Snow Pordea and Jon Snow on our YouTube channel (episode was also available slightly edited as audio only). Jon was incredibly brave and open and honest about his own abuse and we all agreed that the abuse of boys and men needs to be talked about much more than it is.

Find out more about Shelly here: https://www.shellysnowpordea.com/ and find Jon at https://linktr.ee/snoman74/! Follow Shelly and Jon on IG @Shellysnowpordea and @the_jon_snow!

In August of 2022, Ash and Michelle talked about the grooming of Vili Fualaau by his sixth grade teacher Mary Kay Letourneau.Michelle told Ash about the extremely inappropriate emotional and physical relationship between 34 year old elementary school teacher Mary Kay Letourneau and her 12 year old student, Vili Fualaau. They eventually got married and had children, but Mary Kay obviously always held the power. In this episode we'd like to highlight that women can absolutely be predators as well.

Trigger Warning for this episode and the YouTube interview: sexual abuse of children.


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-Audio engineering by Gaytrice Perdue.