๐ŸŽ™๏ธ True North ๐Ÿงญ

๐ŸŽ™๏ธ True North ๐Ÿงญ

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๐ŸŽ™๏ธ True North ๐Ÿงญ episodes

  • True North podcast #10 with John Baier (Aveva)

    From PI to CONNECT. From data platforms to data trust.


    On True North ๐Ÿงญ, I sat down with John Baier, VP Solution Strategy at AVEVA, and one of the architects behind the evolution of the PI System into todayโ€™s industrial data platforms.


    John has spent decades at the core of industrial data, from Rockwell Automation to OSIsoft, and now AVEVA. He has seen the stack evolve from historians to cloud platforms to AI-driven systems. In this session, we go deep into what actually changed over the last 20 years, what didnโ€™t, and why data reliability is now the limiting factor for scaling industrial AI.


    We discuss the transition from PI to CONNECT, the reality of industrial data architectures, and why connecting and contextualizing data is only part of the story if the underlying signals cannot be trusted.


    Key takeaways of this episode:


    ๐Ÿง  Industrial data problems didnโ€™t disappear; they scaled

    ๐Ÿงฑ PI solved trust locally, CONNECT solves scale and collaboration

    ๐Ÿ“‰ Data availability โ‰  data reliability

    ๐Ÿงช Bronze-layer data determines whether anything downstream works

    ๐Ÿค Radical collaboration requires data to be graded and understood

    ๐Ÿšซ Connecting bad data scales uncertainty

    We also covered:


    โš™๏ธ Why the industrial data stack is layered, not centralized

    ๐ŸŒ CONNECT vs hyperscalers: complementary, not competitive

    ๐Ÿ“Š Where the medallion architecture breaks in OT

    ๐Ÿ” Why data observability is not enough without validation

    ๐Ÿค– Agentic AI and the risk of scaling bad decisions faster

    ๐Ÿงฉ MCP and the shift of value from apps to data layers

    โšก AI economics, infrastructure constraints, and what happens next


    1 hr 9 min
  • True North podcast #9 with Julian Pereira (Trendminer)

    On True North, I sat down with Julian Pereira, VP Product & Engineering at TrendMiner. ย 
    The company I founded and led for over a decade before its acquisition in 2018.

    Julian and I go back to a cold LinkedIn message in 2017.
    He'd seen what data validation looked like before it could scale, and he wanted to build something different.

    He joined TrendMiner in customer success, moved into product, and now runs product and engineering. Startup, Software AG acquisition, private equity buyout.ย 

    A few things we got into:

    โš™๏ธ Belsim โ†’ TrendMiner: how validation went from a six-month project to part of an analytics workflow
    ๐Ÿ“ˆ What actually changes after acquisition (startup โ†’ corporate โ†’ PE)
    ๐Ÿง  Why industrial AI projects still struggle to move from pilot to production
    ๐Ÿค– The shift from dashboards to copilots to agents
    ๐Ÿ”— Where industrial platforms fit in the emerging AI stack

    What stuck with me:

    โ€“ Data availability is not the same as data trust
    โ€“ "Good enough" worked, but not anymore.ย 
    โ€“ Validation was always needed: teams just absorbed the cost quietly
    โ€“ LLMs are non-deterministic; industry needs consistency and explainability
    โ€“ Fixing data downstream hides the real operational issue
    โ€“ The historian gap is real: context gets lost between sensor and model

    When we built TrendMiner, trust in the data was a hidden cost.ย 
    With AI in the loop, it's the bottleneck.

    Worth a listen if you're building, buying, or running industrial AI.

    ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ True North Podcast

    1 hr 1 min
  • True North podcast #8 with Theerth Raj munusamy (Saint Gobain)

    From assumed data to trusted decisions.

    On True North ๐Ÿงญ, I sat down withย Raj Munusamy, Product Portfolio Manager for Data Platforms & Agentic AI at Saint-Gobain, a 350+ year-old industrial giant operating across 1,200+ manufacturing plants worldwide.

    Raj is a rare bridge between worlds: automation & control, historians & OT systems, and modern cloud-scale data platforms and AI. In this session, we go deep into what really breaks when industrial data scales, and why data trust, not algorithms, is the limiting factor for AI in manufacturing.

    We discuss Saint-Gobainโ€™s Metriks manufacturing data platform, the reality of Bronze / Silver / Gold data layers, and the often-overlooked โ€œhistorian gapโ€ where data-quality context is lost as signals move from sensors to dashboards and models.

    Timeseer.AI engagement ๐Ÿค
    Timeseer.AI is deployed as the Trust Layer next to the historian, currently live across 70+ Saint-Gobain plants (and scaling) to continuously validate Bronze-layer time-series data, detect issues early, and restore confidence in the data that feeds dashboards and AI.

    Key takeaways:
    ๐Ÿง  Data availability โ‰  data trust
    ๐Ÿงช The Bronze layer is where trust is won or lost
    ๐Ÿ“‰ Missing, stale, drifting data silently kills dashboards and AI
    ๐Ÿงฉ Historians store data, not confidence
    ๐Ÿšซ Auto-fixing data can hide root causes in continuous manufacturing

    We also covered:
    โš™๏ธ The โ€œhistorian gapโ€ (Sensors โ†’ PLC โ†’ SCADA โ†’ Historian)
    ๐Ÿ“Š Why teams still spend massive time validating data
    ๐Ÿ” Detect โ†’ Score โ†’ Resolve โ†’ Serve as a trust framework
    ๐Ÿ› ๏ธ Why Saint-Gobain chose a trust layer instead of building ad-hoc fixes
    ๐Ÿ“ˆ What it takes to scale data trust across plants, teams, and use cases

    No hype. No theory.
    ย Just what needs to be true for industrial analytics, AI, and autonomy to scale.

    ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ True North Podcast

    50 min
  • True North podcast #7 with Robert Feldmann (Microsoft)

    Building for tomorrow, not just solving todayโ€™s problem.

    On True North ๐Ÿงญ, I sat down with Robert Feldmann, Director of Manufacturing Industry at Microsoft โ€” formerly Associate Partner at McKinsey and today also an industrial advisor to Timeseer.AI.ย  At Microsoft, Robert helps manufacturers bridge the gap between shop-floor reality and cloud-scale AI, shaping how industrial companies move from automation to autonomy.

    Key takeaways:
    ย ๐Ÿง  AI is a processing engine.
    ย โ›ฝ Data quality is the fuel.
    ย โŒ No trusted data, no reliable outcomes (+ why).

    We also touched on:
    ย ๐Ÿงฉ Fragmented industrial knowledge
    ย ๐Ÿ” Broken OTโ€“IT workflows
    ย โšก Energy & compute constraints
    ย ๐Ÿญ Why factories that donโ€™t adapt may disappear
    ย ๐Ÿš€ AI as a platform shift, not a bubble

    No hype. Just what needs to be true for AI to work in industrial reality.

    ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ True North Podcast

    57 min
  • True North podcast #6 with Stijn Christiaens (co-founder Collibra)

    ๐—•๐˜‚๐—ถ๐—น๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐˜„, ๐—ป๐—ผ๐˜ ๐—ท๐˜‚๐˜€๐˜ ๐˜€๐—ผ๐—น๐˜ƒ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐˜๐—ผ๐—ฑ๐—ฎ๐˜†โ€™๐˜€ ๐—ฝ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ฏ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—บ.

    On True North ๐Ÿงญ, I sat down with Stijn for a sharp conversation about strategy, AI, and long-term advantage.
    We go way back, school friends, and today heโ€™s one of the builders behind a Belgian unicorn in data governance.

    What made this conversation special is where our worlds meet: OT and IT data quality and governance.ย 
    The point where operational reality meets enterprise decision-making, and where trust in data becomes non-negotiable.

    ๐—™๐˜‚๐—ป ๐—ณ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐˜: Amazon reportedly uses Wardley Mapping to support strategic decisions, even M&A thinking.

    We talked about:
    ย ๐Ÿงญ Wardley Mapping to see whatโ€™s truly strategic vs already commoditized
    ๐Ÿ—๏ธ Why solving todayโ€™s pain often creates tomorrowโ€™s constraints
    ๐Ÿ“Š How OT and IT data architectures converge in the age of AI
    ๐Ÿค– The road from todayโ€™s AI toward AGI, and what that means for builders
    โš–๏ธ Balancing execution speed with strategic clarity

    Big thanks to Hans de Leenheer for educating us on Wardley Mapping, and to Simon Wardley for inventing this powerful strategic lens.
    If youโ€™re new to it, start here: https://learnwardleymapping.com

    59 min
  • True North podcast with Gaurav Patole (Data Quality ROI: A Playbook for Business-Driven DQ)

    ๐—” ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฐ๐—น๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€ ๐—ถ๐—ป ๐——๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฎ ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฎ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜๐˜†, inspired by Gauravโ€™s new book Data Qualityย  ROI.
    On this True North ๐Ÿงญ, I sat down with Gaurav Patole to explore how IT and OT finally meet when it comes to one universal truth: you canโ€™t automate, govern, or trust what you canโ€™t rely on.
    We talked about how data governance can move from a checklist to a strategic advantage, and why data quality must evolve from IT policy to enterprise culture.

    ๐—ฆ๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฒ ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ต๐—น๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ต๐˜๐˜€:
    ๐ŸŒ Where IT Data Quality meets OT Data Quality, and how trust has different meanings in each world
    ๐Ÿ‘ฅ Who truly owns DQ, and why the technical DQ โ‰  business DQ
    โš™๏ธ PPT model (People, Process, Technology) โ€” aligning teams and turning strategy into results
    ๐Ÿง  Newtonโ€™s Laws of Data Quality, a creative analogy for inertia, force, and acceleration in data programs
    ๐Ÿงฉ DIY vs set-and-forget tooling โ€” finding the balance between control and scalability
    ๐Ÿค– AI needs DQ, and DQ needs AI, the two-way loop that defines the future
    ๐Ÿ” Closing the loop โ€” using customer feedback to improve trust and reliability continuously
    ๐Ÿ“ˆ Data Quality trends shaping the next 5โ€“10 years

    This episode bridges the digital divide between business systems and industrial data โ€” a conversation for anyone building the foundation of trusted AI.

    ๐ŸŽง The Laws of Data Quality โ€” A Fireside Chat with Gaurav Patole

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ ๐—ฆ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ ๐˜€๐˜๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐˜€: Where did data trust (or the lack of it) impact your business outcomes?ย  The most insightful replies will receive a free copy of Gauravโ€™s book.

    53 min
  • Fireside Chat Bernd Gross (CEO Cumulocity) #4

    ๐ŸŽง From IoT Hype to AIoT Reality โ€” The Cumulocity Story with Bernd Gross
    Some conversations arenโ€™t just about technology; theyโ€™re about vision coming full circle.

    On True North ๐Ÿงญ, I sat down with Bernd Gross, co-founder and CEO of Cumulocity, for an honest talk about the evolution of IoT โ€” from the early hype to todayโ€™s AI-powered reality.

    Bernd built Cumulocity back in 2012, long before IoT was fashionable, with a bold but straightforward mission: Connect anything, analyze everything, and bring intelligence to the physical world.

    Fast-forward to 2024 โ€” the team repurchased the company in a management buy-out, and it now stands as a leader in Gartnerโ€™s Magic Quadrant for Industrial IoT platforms.


    A few stories we touch:

    ๐Ÿ’ก The real reason behind the TrendMiner acquisition

    ๐Ÿข Lessons from the Software AG years and the MBO that followed

    ๐Ÿ“ˆ What it takes to land in Gartnerโ€™s top-right quadrant

    ๐Ÿ•ธ๏ธ How to partner with hyperscalers who are also competitors

    ๐Ÿค– And Berndโ€™s bold AIoT predictions for the decade ahead


    1 hr
  • ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ True North ๐Ÿงญ: Fireside chat with Richard Beeson

    ๐ŸŽง From Historian to Infrastructure: The OSIsoft Story with Richard Beeson

    Some conversations arenโ€™t just interviews; theyโ€™re tributes.

    On True North, I sat down with Richard Beeson, former CTO of OSIsoft, for an honest talk about the company โ€” and the man โ€” that changed both our lives: Pat Kennedy.

    Richard spent 32 years at OSIsoft. Before AVEVA, OSIsoft quietly built the nervous system of industry with the PI System,ย  and it still runs the worldโ€™s plants today.

    A few stories we touch, without giving it all away:

    • ๐Ÿข The dentist's office in San Leandro that set PIโ€™s culture in motion
    • ๐Ÿงฉ Why AF didnโ€™t originally mean โ€œAsset Frameworkโ€
    • โ˜Ž๏ธ The rule about answering the phone before the 3rd ringย 
    • ๐Ÿ’พ How PI v1 was shippedโ€ฆย 
    • ๐Ÿ•ฐ๏ธ The moment Pat realized people valued history more than the project itself
    • ๐Ÿ” The quiet design decision that made PI 3 a runaway success
    • ๐Ÿ”“ Patโ€™s licensing ethos

    Itโ€™s a candid conversation and a small tribute to a founder who built for engineers first and built something that kept working.


    1 hr 15 min

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