Psychologists John Gartner and Harry Segal return to the topic of Trump’s cognitive decline and malignant narcissism by interpreting his “decision” on Alcatraz as well as his oval office antics. They are joined by Rep. Chrissie Houlahan from Pennsylvania, who had taken on Tulsi Gabbard in the House investigation of Signalgate.

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The conversation then turns to the effect of Trump’s behavior on governance. According to the experts, his impulsive and self-serving decisions have not only hurt the economy but also weakened the nation’s standing on the world stage. Dr. Segal explains that Trump’s poor handling of economic policies, including misguided tariff strategies, risks driving the country toward an economic crisis—a situation not unlike past downturns in history.

On the political front, the hosts warn that Trump’s style of leadership is dangerous. His tendency to use executive power for personal gain could lead to a government that more resembles an autocratic regime than a true democracy. They point out that when leaders mix personal interests with national policy, our institutions and hard-won democratic values come under severe threat.

Yet there is hope. The episode highlights how strong American institutions—like Harvard University—continue to stand up against illegal executive overreach. These examples remind us that while Trump’s actions push us toward instability, the core values of our democracy still hold strong when we remain informed and active.

In closing, Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal call on everyone to pay attention, speak up, and demand accountability. They stress that understanding the psychological roots of this crisis is key to defending our nation’s future. Listeners are encouraged to join the conversation by subscribing, sharing their ideas, and tuning in to upcoming episodes.

We’ll see you back here next week, as we continue to push back against this chaos and work together to save America from tyranny.

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