While Devin is away on a Product Design Sprint, Daniel (Dani) Sandoval joins John to discuss product team communication, Svelte, and how to contribute to opensource sustainably.

In this episode, Devin and John discuss creating an LLC, building an iOS native module to fix a bug, and the future of the podcast.

John and Devin discuss strategies for learning all the new things needed for product development, why it's essential to focus on the motivation behind tools as well as understanding the tools themselves, and how not knowing something can bring joy

John and Devin chat about planning for the Building Habits app, the joy of being productive, and how to set aside time for rest.

Devin and John reflect on rewriting Building Habits with React Native and consider the next steps for the project.

In the episode, John and Devin discuss rebuilding the Building Habits app in React Native. They also discuss using React Native Navigation and MobX.

Devin and John discuss Building Haibit's most recent new feature, a MadLibs style new habit form, what the app's next feature should be, and how they might learn if the app works well for users.

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Devin and John talk about whether they should build features because people ask for them. They also wax poetic about good design, discuss the pain points of making a native mobile app with the browser, and confirm that building a PWA in React would be masochistic.

The Building Habits app gets published to the App Store. John and Devin reflect on why they chose to make the app using Elm and Capacitor.

Devin and John submit to the App Store and talk about the relationship between designers and developers, why those labels can be problematic, and what we might do about it.