Today on The Sword and The Trowel, Tom Ascol is joined by Pastor Travis Allen. As a non-SBC pastor and with an outsiders perspective, Travis interviews Dr. Ascol and gets his thoughts on what happened at #SBC22. They talk about Saddleback church and Rick Warren, the Sexual Abuse Task Force Report, the proposed NAMB forensic audit, the SBC presidential election, the Conservative Baptist Network, the ERLC's stance on abortion and more.

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