Don't believe the headlines. Hiring competent developers is still really, really challenging. One start-up that's helping solve the quandary for companies is Turing, who - by the way - has already raised $153 million to cure what ails employers. Jonathan Siddharth, CEO and founder at Turing, joins the boys to discuss what makes Turing different, how Upwork gets it wrong, and why pay transparency and equality are still such a hurdle.