Pastor Brian Zahnd joins Johnny Ova to unpack what he calls the kaleidoscopic cross, a bold, multi-layered view of the crucifixion that challenges everything you thought you knew.

In this episode, we dive into:

• Why the cross can’t be reduced to one meaning
• The problem with penal substitution and transactional theology
• How art, poetry, and ancient voices unlock new angles of the cross
• Why Christian nationalism distorts the gospel
• How the cross shapes the way we live, not just what we believe

This is a powerful conversation that connects theology, justice, beauty, and mystery, all through the lens of the crucifixion.

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