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Summary

In this episode of Two Average Joes, Dean discusses the making of the movie 'An Ordinary Killer' and its connection to the future of the podcast. The movie, produced by Collective Development, Incorporated, is based on a true story and follows the life of Gerald Leroy Wingeart, a convicted rapist and murderer. 

The film was completed in 2001 but did not receive widespread distribution. The hosts express their desire to create high-quality content and explore the challenges of distribution. They also touch on the connection between Wingeart and other unsolved murders in the area.

Keywords

Movie making, An Ordinary Killer, true crime, distribution, Gerald Leroy Wingeart, unsolved murders

Takeaways

The movie 'An Ordinary Killer' is based on the true story of Gerald Leroy Wingeart, a convicted rapist and murderer.

Distribution is a crucial aspect of the film industry, and many good movies struggle to reach a wide audience.

The hosts of Two Average Joes aim to create high-quality content and explore the challenges of distribution.

Wingeart 's connection to other unsolved murders in the area adds an intriguing element to the story.

Titles

The Making of 'An Ordinary Killer'

Challenges of Distribution in the Film Industry

Sound Bites
 "We're gonna talk about the making of a movie. The making of an ordinary killer."

"This movie is about Gerald Leroy Wingeart and it starts by showing his first defense, which was the rape of a blind girl and robbing her boyfriend."

"Distribution is everything. There's a bunch of good movies, great movies being made, good books, great books. What they lack is distribution."

Chapters

00:00 The Making of 'An Ordinary Killer'

03:10 Gerald Leroy Wingeart and His Crimes

08:46 Challenges of Distribution in the Film Industry

15:02 Exploring the Connection Between Wingeart and Unsolved Murders

How unique and yet terrifying would it be to hear first hand what it’s like to be abducted? How scared would you be to find yourself in a car and then finding out you're alone with a convicted rapist and a convicted killer. What would you say? What would you feel? Would you be quick and begin to figure out a way to escape?  Would the paralyzing fear consume you to the point of being numb? 

Two Average Joe’s has taken a unique opportunity to hear first hand the account from a true survivor. A woman that defied all odds, with her bravery, shear nerve and her will to survive.

Let’s go back to 1961, when a man from Niles, Michigan was convicted of raping a blind girl and robbing her boyfriend.  This same man would walk out of prison on December 1967 on parole but free to roam Ann Arbor and the surrounding areas of southern Michigan. Yes, that’s right that was also during the same time as the Co-Ed murders of Ypsilanti and Ann Arbor. He later raped and killed a beautiful woman from Owosso Michigan in 1973, a mother and a wife. Then a year later, he ran into this woman.  A true survivor, a fighter. 

Two Average Joe’s brings you her story, in her own words, her fear but also her triumph.

TAJs will be bringing you more episodes on the alleged suspect in this case and convicted murderer and rapist, Gerald Wingeart in the near future.

Other links related to this episode:

Two Average Joes Presents: True Crime Incorporated - What is Truth? 

 2AJs Presents: True Crime Incorporated - Episode 2: Why is it so Hard to Correct Myth?

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Two Average Joes with Kevin King - What Happens When the Prison System Lies???

 In our latest installment on Prison Reform, Kevin King tells of his 12-year ordeal in regard to his situation in the Michigan Department of Corrections.  Would government officials try to set up an inmate just because the internee was trying to protect other prisoner’s constitutional rights?  How far will an institute go to stop one man’s desire to protect his fellow inmates?  Can a person even fight those odds?

 Kevin King did.  Listen to the story as Kevin details how prison officials fabricated his prison records and attempted to set him up for failure.  Kevin had to maneuver through a web of deceit and lies to protect his rights.  What happened at the end?  King won.

With the help of the Baker Law Firm, Kevin prevailed.  With the assistance of Attorney Robert Baker and Paralegal Kristle Goins, Kevin’s wife Cheryl King and Attorney Gregory Longworth, he was able to win his case and collect damages in his 1983 civil case.  The case, King vs. Zamiara can be viewed below:

https://twoaveragejoes.com/podcast/two-average-joes-with-kevin-king-what-happens-when-the-prison-system-lies/

Also, view the following videos on Prison Reform here:

2 Average Joes: Do You Really Know What Happens in the Prison System? With Kevin King

Two Average Joes Presents: Prison Reform with Kevin King

 JBS

Why is it so hard to correct myth? In spite of facts, crimes can be committed and no one will be charged or held accountable. 

In the case of Dawn Basom, who was murdered over 50 years ago, her case has never been solved. No one has ever been arrested and no one has ever been sent to jail. However, if you goggle her name, you would quickly see that she is considered to be one of victims of the 1960’s coed- murder, John Norman Collins. 

Do we really know that? Is that true or do we just think that because she has always been listed as one of his murder victims.  That is the question TCI is asking. 

We ask that and why is it so hard to correct myth??

The following links are available:

 2 Avg. Joes S02 E14 – Michigan Murders: 5th Victim Dawn Basom 1969 – “Off the Rails”

2 Avg. Joes S02 E15 – Michigan Murders: 5th Victim Dawn Basom 1969 – “Off the Rails” (Postscript)

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier

Link for 1969 Ann Arbor Area Murders Prompts Action By Governor Milliken

Link for 1988 Kelly and Company Interview of John Norman Collins

Link for Exciting Productions interview of Douglas Harvey

 Link for WXYZ Channel 7 News Report on Arch Sloan and the Oakland County Child Killings

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True Crime Incorporated, Joseph St. John, Dean Teaster and Deneen Azzolino discuss how difficult it can be to gather truth in the modern age.  What passes for research is often just people cutting and pasting information from a few articles and calling it truth.  Is real research dead??  What does it take to collect actual information?  Can it be done?  Take a listen.

 Below are links that will be discussed in the podcast:

 Two Average Joes YouTube Page

 The Case of Charles Manson: Maybe It’s Not What You Think It Is by Joseph St. John

https://twoaveragejoes.com/true-crime/the-case-of-charles-manson-maybe-its-not-what-you-think-it-is-by-joseph-st-john/ 

Kevin King discusses his time in the Michigan Prison System.  Do we really know what happens behind prison walls?  Do we really know anything?

 Links to other information:

 Two Average Joes Presents: Prison Reform with Kevin King

 The Musing of 2 Average Joes – True Crime and Prison Reform

 https://twoaveragejoes.com/opinion/november-7-2023-the-musing-of-2-average-joes-true-crime-and-prison-reform/

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JBS

Who really knows what goes on behind our prison walls? 

A Short Introduction to Kevin King: On May 17th, 2023, Kevin was asked to speak to the Oakland County Bar Association (OCBA), about being incarcerated within the Michigan Department of Corrections (MDOC), for almost 41 years. How, he was released from custody with a Life Without Parole Sentence and about our prison system from an inside perspective, and the cultural shock of being reintegrated back into society. A special thanks was offered to all those instrumental in his release. 

Who really knows what goes on behind our prison walls?

#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s 

This is the fascinating August 2013 interview of former Eastern Michigan University Campus Police Patrol Officer (1965-1969) Larry Matthewson. Interviewed by 2 Average Joe’s Robert Baker, Ken Harvey (Gary Leiterman’s Cousin), and Mike Manning (Professional Investigator) about the Michigan Murders (aka Co-Ed Killings) that occurred from 1967 thru 1969.

 Officer Matthewson shares his unique knowledge, views, and insights as a participant, witness and investigator and Michigan Murders’ task force member. Intricately involved in most, if not all, of the investigation of the seven known Michigan cases and also tangentially involved in multiple suspected out of state murder cases.   

The following links will help you follow our podcasts:

 The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror 

 Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier 

 The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

 Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

 If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us here. 

 Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media. 

We appreciate your support. Go by Two Avg. Joes and subscribe to our email notifications. https://twoaveragejoes.com

#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s 

This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

·      The Case of Gary Leiterman

·      Michigan Murders

·      John Norman Collins

·      Karen Sue Beineman

 The following links will help you follow our podcasts:

 2 Avg. Joes S02 E21 – Michigan Murders: John Norman Collins– “The Trial”

 The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror 

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier 

 The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

 Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

 If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us here. 

Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media. 

 We appreciate your support. Go by Two Avg. Joes and subscribe to our email notifications. https://twoaveragejoes.com

#TrueCrime, #MichiganMurders, #truecrimeaddict, #serialkiller, #podcasts, #johnnormancollins, #1960s 

 This week’s episode of Two Avg. Joes discusses:

·      The Case of Gary Leiterman

·      Michigan Murders

·      John Norman Collins

·      Karen Sue Beineman

The Michigan Murders: The True Story of the Ypsilanti Ripper's Reign of Terror 

Catching Serial Killers: Learning from Past Serial Murder Investigations

Terror in Ypsilanti: John Norman Collins Unmasked by Gregory A. Fournier 

 The Committee to Free Gary Leiterman

 Wrongfully Convicted by DNA...It Could Happen to You!

 If you would like to donate to our cause, please contact us here. 

 Take a look at our videos, hit the “Subscribe” button, give it a “thumbs up,” and share it on your social media.

We appreciate your support. Go by Two Avg. Joes and subscribe to our email notifications. https://twoaveragejoes.com