Pastor Michael is sending his oldest son off to college. The pastors talk about how we live and love through changes.

The two pastors talk about moments of grace that interrupt the loss and heartache in life. They wrestle with interpreting these moments while also honoring the moments when grace is hard to find.

Listen in on a conversation about economics, inequality and privilege through the lens of bussing, nutrition, and starting over.

The two pastors talk about the recent political conventions, the changes in political parties, and the role of religion in politics.

PARENTAL ADVISORY: Some vocabulary used in this podcast may not be suitable for younger children. Parental discretion is advised.

The two pastors explore the foundational stories from their third grade social studies classes: Lewis and Clark, the Louisiana Purchase, Ellis Island, living north of the Mason Dixon Line, and so forth. So often, these stories are the lenses through which we watch, understand and engage our current social context. What changes have been made, and what changes do we need to continue to make?

We are all finding ourselves in conversation these days with people who disagree with us, who have different ideas of what the world is and how it should be. The two pastors talk about the value of conversation, particularly when the goal is deepening a relationship rather than convincing someone of something.  

Some say mission trips don’t effect real change. The two pastors talk about their experience with mission trips, and the criticism and value of experiencing differences with the intent to serve.

This podcast had all kinds of beautiful interruptions that exist for pastors in the summertime. Also, Pastor Michael recorded this conversation over the phone, and that accounts for his slightly different voice quality today.

The two pastors converse casually for a bit as they set up to record. They ease into talking about the value of volunteering with children and youth during the summer months with programs like Vacation Bible School (VBS), Crafts for a Cause and other creative summer programming options.

The two pastors talk about setting the cadence and pace for community life and change so that we are able to let go and move into what comes next.

Pastor Beth describes a creative conference she recently attended and then remarks on differences in how introverts and extroverts work. The conversation moves on to how gaming can inform how we read scripture, how we navigate change and how we relate to one another. Note: The two pastors are not gamers but they respect gaming a lot!