For the most part, we have looked at the pandemic as an inconvenience, something that has interrupted our scheduled programming. What if we thought of this season as “fasting?” When we fast from food, we discover what we are truly hungry for. How might “fasting” help us to get in touch with what our spirits are truly hungry for?  

As we go into the 4th of July, we have this backdrop of activism and injustice, vulnerability and safety. What does it mean for us to celebrate independence in this specific time? Let’s talk about it.

How is your industry changing? What needs do you see that are within reach of your industry meeting? As industries, including the church, adapt to the new parameters being set, the two pastors talk about making sure we are adapting to the needs around us and not just trying to make a close facsimile of what used to be.

As we emerge from sheltering in place for almost four months, we find ourselves in the midst of significant, ongoing change that is leading to uncertainty, grief and anxiety. Listen in as the two pastors talk about how we might adapt to this change.

These times of unrest, turmoil, and righteous indignation are made for vision, creativity, and hope. The two pastors are working really hard at leading their churches into the future—an unknown target at best.

Recent events have created a perfect storm that is forcing us to look head-on at the protests happening across the nation and the issues behind them. As the two pastors struggle to formulate a response, listen in as they talk about what needs to be done so that the voices and efforts of the protesters are not again dismissed, and change can take place.

There are other things that have happened in the past couple months—brown bodies have died in acts of injustice all while the crime rate has gone down, and this Sunday is the birthday of the Christian church. Let’s see if the two pastors can pull us out of the conversation that everyone is having and try to focus on the broader themes around us.

We have had to do some things differently during the pandemic and some changes may be here to stay. In this wide-ranging conversation, the two pastors talk about leaving behind systems and practices that no longer serve us, and consider what we might do to better adapt and respond to our new reality going forward.

The two pastors feel like they’ve left “crisis” mode and are beginning to reimagine community life. Together they dig a little at the “whys”: Why do we go to church? Why do we educate our children? Why do we have office buildings? Listen in as they talk about listening for the deeper whys that can lead us into our future together.

Once again the two pastors kick around the changing face of church during this COVID-19 pandemic. Every industry is affected. What changes are worth keeping? What aren’t? And why? The two pastors agree that the “church has left the building,” but where is it going?