Stephen Diener welcomes Scott Roder back to the show to discuss what renowned scientist, Avi Loeb had to say to him about plasma orbs and how the technology behind them could answer a lot of our questions surrounding UFOs. And, Stephen also gives some new inside information on the Matthew Livelsberger email that had everyone up in arms. Is China really using anti gravity tech? This is a loaded episode to start of 2025!

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