We already see as through a clouded glass, but nothing seems more murky than politics in our current cultural moment.

In a continuation of the conversation we started in our Citizens of Heaven episode, we discuss putting our trust in God rather than people, the Spirit of God rather than our own thoughts and emotions, and the wisdom of God rather than our own knowledge and perspectives.

Sometimes it seems like the people around us don't want the same level of depth and faith that we feel called to - and it's challenging to truly participate in biblical community when it feels like you're the only one looking for it.

In the final episode of our 3-part series Entrench, Deconstruct, and Disengage, we talk about struggling with the desire to cut ties with faith, religion, and the cultural monolith that is Christianity in America.

In the second episode of our three-part conversation Entrench, Deconstruct, or Disengage, we talk about what happens when faith breaks down and deteriorates - both in terms of the core tenets of Christian belief, and also the religious structures of Christianity in which that faith is lived out. How do you make sense of the world when your "spiritual house" gets torn down?

The first in a three-part conversation about what happens when people of faith Entrench, Deconstruct, or Disengage, we talk about our experiences with people building spiritual or religious walls around themselves and what happens when the "enemies" outside find their way into the sanctuary.

As followers of Jesus, our primary allegiance is to our King. Problem is, there are a lot of other kingdoms - national, political, theological, philosophical, personal - that vie for our time, attention, resources, hearts, minds, faithfulness, and obedience.

We talk about the fact that "citizens of heaven" doesn't really mean what we think it means, and what it looks like to truly follow Christ in the midst of these tensions.

Jay Newman, co-host of the Catacomb Podcast and manager of Sean Michel, joins us for a conversation about living in tension as a person of faith and the slow process of becoming who we were meant to be.

The Catacomb Podcast seeks to turn cynicism into solutions, and proudly proclaims that "The middle ground is the underground". catacombpodcast.com

Sean Michel is a musical prophet. seanmichelmusic.com

We talk about our motivations for wanting to have these kinds of conversations - the need for nuance and listening, the importance of working through uncomfortable ideas, and the call to love people as God does - especially when when disagree with them.