unBetween

As followers of Jesus, our primary allegiance is to our King. Problem is, there are a lot of other kingdoms - national, political, theological, philosophical, personal - that vie for our time, attention, resources, hearts, minds, faithfulness, and obedience.

We talk about the fact that "citizens of heaven" doesn't really mean what we think it means, and what it looks like to truly follow Christ in the midst of these tensions.

Jay Newman, co-host of the Catacomb Podcast and manager of Sean Michel, joins us for a conversation about living in tension as a person of faith and the slow process of becoming who we were meant to be.

The Catacomb Podcast seeks to turn cynicism into solutions, and proudly proclaims that "The middle ground is the underground". catacombpodcast.com

Sean Michel is a musical prophet. seanmichelmusic.com

We talk about our motivations for wanting to have these kinds of conversations - the need for nuance and listening, the importance of working through uncomfortable ideas, and the call to love people as God does - especially when when disagree with them.