（中文往下👇)

Welcome to the 9th episode of the Uncertain Pathfinders, or the UP podcast. This is the podcast where we ask our guests and listeners to invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility.

On this episode, we are honored to welcome author, coach, entrepreneur, mother, and podcast host, Tai Tsao (曹代) to the show. As someone who is "on a mission to change the way we work," Tai Tsao is doing just that in her trainings, as well as her podcast, Hey Coach. Welcome to read her self introduction below, and find links to her and her podcast, Hey Coach as well:

Tai Tsao's self introduction🔗
Hey Coach Podcast🔗

On this episode, Tai Tsao shared her own journeys with Uncertainty that included running an NGO, relocating to Taiwan after living in the US, and learning from the everyday Uncertainties of parenthood. Topics on this episode include:

• Organizational development
• Leadership
• Improvisation
• Running an NGO
• Becoming an entrepreneur
• Living abroad and returning to Taiwan
• Mothers as leaders
• Myaku-Myaku
• Cockroach battlefields
• Alice in Wonderland

Related links:

• Introduction to Myaku-Myaku🔗
• Parenting classes available at MacKay Memorial Hospital in Taiwan🔗
• 20-20 Women Lead Podcast🔗

Make sure to reach out to Uncertain Pathfinders and join co-hosts, Jeffrey and Miranda in the studio to share your tales of Uncertainty. In addition, Uncertain Pathfinders provides professional career and life coaching, applied improv workshops to build team dynamics, and nonviolent communication (NVC) workshops for constructive conflict. Let's continue to Invite Uncertainty, and Unlock Possibility!

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🎙️ 歡迎收聽第九集的 Uncertain Pathfinders，簡稱 UP Podcast。這是一個邀請來賓與聽眾一同「擁抱不確定性，解鎖新可能」的節目。
本集我們非常榮幸邀請到作家、教練、創業者、母親、以及 Podcast 節目 Hey Coach 的主持人——曹代 Tai Tsao 加入我們的對談。Tai Tsao 長期致力於「改變我們工作的方式」，無論是在她的訓練課程中，還是在 Hey Coach 節目裡，她都在持續實踐這個使命。歡迎閱讀下方的自我介紹，也可點擊連結收聽她的 Podcast：

Tai Tsao's self introduction🔗
Hey Coach Podcast🔗

在本集節目中，Tai Tsao 分享了她與「不確定性」同行的歷程——包括經營非營利組織、從美國返台定居、以及育兒生活中每日不斷湧現的變化與學習。
本集主題涵蓋：

• 組織發展
• 領導力
• 即興力（Improv）
• NGO 運作
• 創業歷程
• 海外生活與返台適應
• 母職與領導的交集
• Myaku-Myaku（妙妙）
• 打蟑螂的戰場
• 愛麗絲夢遊仙境

📌 延伸閱讀與連結：

• Introduction to Myaku-Myaku🔗
• Parenting classes available at MacKay Memorial Hospital in Taiwan🔗
• 20-20 Women Lead Podcast🔗
• 
  

🎧 歡迎聯繫 Uncertain Pathfinders，與共同主持人 Jeffrey 與 Miranda 一起進錄音室，分享你自己的不確定故事！
此外，Uncertain Pathfinders 提供：

• 專業職涯與人生教練服務
• 應用即興劇工作坊，打造團隊連結與合作默契
• 非暴力溝通（NVC）訓練，促進建設性衝突對話

讓我們持續邀請不確定性，解鎖新可能！🔐

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***This episode is recorded mostly in Chinese. 這集是一中文為主。(English below👇）

歡迎收聽 Uncertain Pathfinders 不確定探路人 Podcast ——這是一個邀請來賓，也邀請你，一起擁抱不確定，解鎖人生可能性的節目。
本集節目由主持人 喬好學（Jeffrey Schwab） 與 王敏儒（Miranda Wang） 共同邀請到特別來賓——聊心茶室 Heal You 的創辦人暨執行長 張道芳（Jessie Chang）。

聊心茶室網站Heal You's website🔗
Jessie Chang's Linkedin🔗

🌐 聊心茶室 Heal You 成立於 2021 年，由四位科技人與一位諮商心理師共同創立，致力於解決台灣社會中「高壓生活」與「心理健康資源不足」之間的落差。許多人在壓力下逐漸累積焦慮，像一顆內部噪音不斷擴大的氣泡，直到崩潰邊緣才尋求幫助。

Heal You 希望透過科技，讓心理諮商打破物理距離、縮短心靈的差距，推動心理諮商普及與環境改善，讓尋求幫助變得更簡單、更可及。
💬 在本集節目中，Jessie 真誠分享她對於「不確定」的理解，以及她如何將自身走過憂鬱症的經驗，轉化為 Heal You 的核心使命與推動力。
邀請你一起收聽、反思與留言互動，
 讓我們一起擁抱不確定，解鎖新可能。

歡迎聯繫 Uncertain Pathfinders，加入我們的錄音室，分享你對「不確定」的獨特觀點。
此外，也歡迎洽詢我們的專業服務，包括：
 ✨ 一對一或團體教練（Coaching）
 🎭 應用即興工作坊（Applied Improv Workshops）

 💬 非暴力溝通（NVC）引導與練習
讓我們一起在不確定中探索更多可能性！
Uncertain Pathfinders website🔗

🎙️ Uncertain Pathfinders Podcast – New Episode
 Welcome to Uncertain Pathfinders (UP), the show that invites you to embrace Uncertainty and unlock possibility. In this episode, co-hosts Jeffrey Schwab and Miranda Wang sit down with Jessie Chang (張道芳) — CEO & Founder of Heal You (聊心茶室), Taiwan’s leading online therapy platform.

聊心茶室網站Heal You's website🔗
Jessie Chang's Linkedin🔗

Founded in 2021 by four tech enthusiasts and a licensed therapist, Heal You connects people with professional counseling at the click of a button, breaking physical distance and mental barriers alike. Jessie opens up about turning her own experience with depression into a mission: leveraging technology to lower the threshold for seeking help, elevate mental-health literacy, and bring peace of mind to anyone living under pressure.

Join us as Jessie shares her personal relationship with Uncertainty, the challenges of building a health-tech start-up, and the future of online counseling in Taiwan. Tune in, leave a comment, and discover how stepping into the unknown may be the first step toward healing.

Welcome to reach out to Uncertain Pathfinders and join us in the studio to introduce your own views on Uncertainty. In addition, please contact us for professional 1-1 or group coaching services, applied improv workshops, or Nonviolent Communication facilitation.  

Uncertain Pathfinders website🔗

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📍Note: For this episode we are trying something VERY Uncertain in that it is an extremely bilingual episode, with much of the first portion in English, and then switches over to Mandarin Chinese. 📍注意：這一集我們正在嘗試一個非常「不確定」的做法——這是一集極度雙語的節目，前半段以英文為主，後半段則轉為中文播出！（中文往下👇）

🌏 When we travel, we are almost sure to encounter Uncertainty.  Some would even say part of the lure of travel is to meet Uncertainty face to face, to go to places we have never been to before, try new experiences, meet new people, see unfamiliar sites, and of course, taste dishes that we’ve never tried.  

👣Who better to talk about travel and the Uncertainty that it brings than professionals from the travel industry? Today our co-hosts, Jeffrey Schwab and Miranda Wang, welcome CEO and Founder of Topology Travel, Peter Lin, and Tour Consultant, Chloe Kung, into the studio. 

🎙️Both share stories of Uncertainty from their years of life and travel experience, as well as what it means to face Uncertainty when leading a group of travelers.  They share stories of unexpected rogue typhoons, plan B travel execution, sweet potato vendor fights, the impact of Covid on the travel industry, and some exciting new travel experience offerings from Topology.

🧳Founded in 2011, Topology Travel promises visitors to the island to explore the “real” Taiwan.  The team at Topology shares a passion for bringing authentic experiences to their clients, and they make efforts to customize tours to help create immersive stories and life experiences.  

💬Please make sure to leave comments and questions about the episode.  We also welcome you to join us in the studio as a guest if you would like to share your tales of Uncertainty.  Leave a comment and share your thoughts: https://open.firstory.me/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments

✨In addition to podcasts, Uncertain Pathfinders provides 1-1 and team career or life coaching, interactive team workshops that utilize applied improv to build rapport and understanding, as well as workshops that focus on Nonviolent Communication (NVC) facilitation.  Please reach out for questions or collaboration. 

🌏 在旅行的過程中，我們幾乎一定會遇到「不確定」。有些人甚至會說，旅行的魅力就在於親身面對不確定：走進從未去過的地方、嘗試新鮮的體驗、遇見陌生的人群、欣賞未曾見過的風景，當然還有品嚐從沒吃過的料理。

👣 那麼，有誰比旅遊業的專業人士更適合來談談旅行與不確定性之間的關係呢？本集由主持人 Jeffrey Schwab （喬好學）和 Miranda Wang （王敏儒） 一同邀請到 Topology Travel 真程旅行社的創辦人暨執行長林文攀（Peter Lin），以及旅遊顧問宮郁岑（Chloe Kung） 來到錄音室。

🎙️ 兩位來賓不僅分享了來自多年生活與旅遊經驗中的不確定故事，也談到在帶領旅客時如何面對未知與突發狀況。他們聊到了突如其來的颱風、B計畫的實施、地瓜攤販的糾紛、疫情對旅遊業的衝擊，以及 Topology 最新推出的精彩旅遊體驗內容。

🧳 Topology Travel 成立於 2011 年，致力於帶領旅客探索「真實的台灣」。Topology 團隊擁有一顆熱情的心，希望為每位旅客打造客製化、具沉浸感的旅行故事與人生經驗。

💬 歡迎你在節目下方留言或提出問題，也歡迎你親自來錄音室擔任來賓，分享你與「不確定」相遇的故事！Leave a comment and share your thoughts: https://open.firstory.me/user/cm81rx1oo07d7012vcyv33asu/comments
✨ 除了 Podcast 節目外，Uncertain Pathfinders 也提供一對一或團隊的職涯與人生教練服務、透過應用即興劇所設計的互動式團隊工作坊、以及以非暴力溝通（NVC）為基礎的溝通與衝突引導課程。歡迎來訊交流與合作！

Some links regarding today’s episode: 今天相關的一些連結🔗

1. Topology Travel
2. Uncertain Pathfinders
3. 創世基金會 Genesis Social Welfare Foundation and 華山基金會 Huashan Social Welfare Foundation
4. The Hutong
5. The Rainbow Fish
6. https://www.books.com.tw/products/0010857008?
7. Polyglot Taiwan
8. Formosa Improv Group (FIG) 福爾摩沙即興組合

Invite Uncertainty, Unlock Possibility. 擁抱不確定，解鎖新可能

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"The right choice, is whatever one you decide to commit to." Sarah Claspell

Welcome to the 6th episode of the Uncertain Pathfinders, or the UP podcast. This is the podcast where we ask our guests to invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility. Each and every episode we invite guests to share what Uncertainty means to them and share their own experiences with how they have dealt and are dealing with Uncertainty in their lives.

On this most recent episode, co-hosts Jeffrey Schwab and Miranda Wang are joined by improviser, actress, and comedian, Sarah Claspell. Sarah is an actor/comedian/writer/teacher/co-owner of WGIS. She has been featured on tv shows such as Brooklyn Nine-Nine and Jimmy Kimmel Live!, and written for Drunk History, and some other cool stuff, like live shows at the UCB Theatre. She teaches at WGIS and the Upright Citizens Brigade, and performs regularly with improv teams Cardinal Redbird, The Bozos and Voltron, variety show Asian AF, and various shows doing improv, sketch, and characters. 

For more about Sarah, please check out the following links:

The World's Greatest Improv School (WGIS)🔗
Sarah's Instagram🔗

On this episode, the two co-hosts chatted with Sarah about topics that included:

• Improvisation
• Traveling alone in Asia for the first time
• The wisdom and personality of cats
• Relocating to a new city for the first time
• Gender roles, family secrets, and inheritance

Other links pertaining to the show or co-hosts:

• Formosa Improv Group (FIG) 福爾摩沙即興組合 FB🔗
• Polyglot Conference🔗
• Uncertain Pathfinders Instagram🔗
• Uncertain Pathfinders Website (in progress) 🔗
• New Kitten Party (Singapore based improv group)🔗
• Vietnam Improv Festival Instagram🔗

We look forward to hearing your feedback, comments, questions or suggestions for the UP podcast. In addition to a podcast, Jeffrey Schwab also provides career and professional coaching with a focus on leveraging Uncertainty, facilitates applied improv training, and leads workshops with a focus on Nonviolent Communication (NVC). Reach out to us if you are in Taipei and would like to share your own Uncertain journey with us. We are happy to do the podcast in English, Chinese, or a bilingual combination. As always, let's continue to invite Uncertainty, and unlock possibility!

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Welcome to our fifth episode of the (sometimes) bilingual (English/Chinese) Uncertain Pathfinders, or UP podcast. This episode is titled "Uncertain Burn" and features guest, Lydia Huang. There are some Chinese links and introduction to a couple of the activities that she organizes below that are either hybrid or in person.

A self-described "people person," Lydia wears many hats, all of them related to HR, talent development, and career opportunity support. With headhunter experience, Lydia currently works as a career consultant for People's Choice, the founder of the NGO "HR Room of Requirement: HRRR 人資萬應室," as well as this episode being recorded during her first week as Head of Talent Relations at Worca. An expert networker who often creates events to help support young professionals hoping to work remotely, Lydia even uses her own apartment as a DIY co-working space. Always up for a coffee and a chat, the ideas never stop with Lydia!

On this episode, Lydia is joined by co-hosts Jeffrey Schwab and Miranda Wang to dive into tales of Uncertainty that include segments related to:

• Understanding our own emotions
• Baby butt/back protectors
• Food specialties from Vietnam
• Memorable experiences related to Burning Man
• Opportunities that arise from being laid off

Read below for some links related to today's episode:

• Lydia's Linkedin
• Lydia's Instagram
• Polyglot Conference Taipei
• The Greatest Secret (book recommended by Lydia)
• Introduction to the Vietnamese sweet discussed

Below are some Chinese language introductions to a couple of the activities that Lydia has started up recently in Taiwan with the HR Room of Requirement:

5/27 【HRRR誰來晚餐 ｜擁抱不確定：在動盪中找到自己的節奏】
 地點｜線上
 時間｜5月27日 19:00 – 20:30
 報名｜https://lu.ma/wzzjdl2v

5/29 【HRRR 每月線上公益活動｜畫出壓力的樣貌：職業倦怠處方箋】
 帶領者｜藝術治療師 Haylie
 參與對象｜任何人，限額 10 位
 地點｜線上（報名成功後將提供與會連結）
 時間｜台灣時間 5月29日 20:00 – 21:00
 報名｜https://lu.ma/uleft374

Thanks again to our fabulous guest, Lydia Huang, for joining the UP podcast. If you are interested in joining our podcast and sharing your tale of Uncertainty, or if you are seeking professional 1-1 coaching, applied improv facilitation, or workshops related to Nonviolent Communication (NVC), please contact Uncertain Pathfinders at [email protected]. Let's continue to Invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility!

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Welcome to the 4th episode of the Uncertain Pathfinders, or the UP podcast. This is the podcast where we ask our guests to invite Uncertainty and unlock possibilities. In addition to our regular co-hosts, Jeffrey Schwab, and Miranda Wang 王敏儒, we are honored to invite performer, writer, and improviser, Matt Folliot, to join us on this episode. During this hour long conversation, we talk about Matt's storied past, conspiracy theories, lizards disguised as humans, the feeling of relocating to a new country and city, prayer chips, blowfish, and why the water always runs deep in Taiwan.


More about Matt:
Matt Folliott is a Comedian/Actor/Writer from Toronto, Canada, and a former cast member of The Second City National Touring Company and Canadian Comedy Award Winning Sketch Group The Sketchersons. Matt was nominated for Best Male Improviser two years in a row in Toronto’s beloved NOW magazine. He was also nominated for a Canadian Comedy Award for Best Improv Troupe with his group K$M (pronounced K and M) and has had the pleasure of performing and teaching improv across the globe in festivals like NOW Improv Festival (Beijing), Manila Improv Festival, Vietnam Improv Festival, Singapore Improv Festival, Hong Kong Improv Festival, Improvaganza (Edmonton, CND), Vancouver Improv Festival, Mprov (Montreal, CND), Ottawa Improv Festival, The Winnipeg Improv Festival and The Seattle International Festival of Improv.  You can hear him or see him on your TV or laptop screens in shows like Bakugan (Netflix), PJ Masks (Disney +), Clifford the Big Red Dog (Prime Video), Agent Binky: Pets of the Universe (Treehouse), Charlie’s Colorforms City (Netflix), Workin’ Moms (Netflix), Baroness Von Sketch Show (Netflix) and Odd Squad (PBS Kids).

To read more about Matt and contact him, please feel free to check out the following links:

• Matt's website: https://www.mattfolliott.com/
• Matt's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattfolliott/?hl=en

Check out more regarding FIG, Uncertain Pathfinders, and the improv community mentioned in the podcast below:

• Formosa Improv Group (FIG) 福爾摩沙即興組合
• Uncertain Pathfinders Linkedin
• Uncertain Pathfinders website
• Uncertain Pathfinders IG

Feel free to leave comments, questions, or connect with us for 1-1 coaching with a focus on leveraging Uncertainty, applied improv workshops, or Non Violent Communication mediation and discussion! We are also looking forward to and welcome you to join your own story of Uncertainty with us on our podcast, so please reach out and Invite Uncertainty.

Our e-mail: [email protected]

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Welcome to our 3rd episode of the Uncertain Pathfinders, or the UP podcast. This is the podcast where we ask YOU to share your stories of Uncertainty as we unlock possibilities together. On this episode, our cohosts, Jeffrey Schwab and Miranda Wang are joined by Jasmine Ow, 胡鉫敏. Please read below for her introduction:

Originally from Malaysia, Jasmine moved to Taiwan at 19 to study Industrial Design at National Cheng Kung University. Before making that decision, she had a strong passion for dance and dreamed of pursuing it professionally. However, her family encouraged me to choose a more "practical" path. Despite that, her love for dance remains a significant part of her life.

During her studies, she realized she was more passionate about the artistic, experiential side of design than the technical aspects of product creation. This curiosity led her to explore XR technologies in her final year, where she combined her passions for dance and design to create her first project: Your Body is an Ocean. The interactive installation received encouraging feedback at Bangkok Design Week, affirming her belief in the power of blending technology and body movement.

That experience sparked a desire to address how people, especially in urban environments, often lose connection with their bodies. To tackle this, she founded SonicStride — a platform designed to help people reconnect with themselves through movement and music. You can check it out here: SonicStride. While the past 1.5 years have been filled with challenges and Uncertainty, her determination to encourage people to move their bodies remains unwavering.

Jasmine is also the logo designer for Uncertain Pathfinders! During the episode, she, Miranda, and Jeffrey discuss journeys with Uncertainty, what it means to balance entrepreneurship with our core values, and there's even a bit of Chinese poetry recited! 江雪 is the poem, written in the Tang Dynasty 唐代 by Liu Zongyuan 柳宗元。

Please feel free to reach out to Uncertain Pathfinders at [email protected] to share your stories of Uncertainty on the show. Uncertain Pathfinders was founded by Jeffrey Schwab, and he provides life coaching services with a focus on Uncertainty, applied improv workshops for building team dynamics and communication, as well as facilitating Non Violent Communication workshops. Miranda Wang focuses on meaningfu language immersion programs. They are both located in Taipei, Taiwan and happy to connect!

Uncertain Pathfinders Linkedin and Instagram pages.


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Welcome to our 2nd episode of the Uncertain Pathfinders (UP) podcast, where we ask guests and listeners to invite Uncertainty and unlock potential. On this episode, our co-hosts, Jeffrey Schwab and Miranda Wang chat with their guest, Olof Nordenstam or 小歐. Originally from Sweden, Olof is the founder of LowCarbonPower, a website which helps people understand clean electricity. He is a co-founder of Bilingual Improv Group (BIG) in Beijing, Formosa Improv Group (FIG) in Taipei, and Xiamen Improv. He has been living in Taipei for almost a decade.

We never know what we're going to get on this podcast. That's part of the fun and joy of being an Uncertain Pathfinder. On this episode, the topics included (amongst others):

• Exceptionalism planners
• Dental hygiene preferences
• Masks
• Bubble afros
• Pineapple on pizza
• National and personal identity
• Accepting gifts you hate
• The Covid-19 pandemic
• Postpartum care centers

Below are some references to things mentioned in the podcast:

• Olof's website: Lowcarbonpower🔗
• Politicians singing to each other in Chinese🔗
• Daily Random Spotify playlist🔗
• TV shows mentioned by Miranda (Mandarin Chinese): 鐵獅玉玲瓏 and 親戚不計較
• Beijing Improv🔗
• Formosa Improv Group (FIG) 福爾摩沙即興組合🔗

As always, we would love to receive comments, questions, and suggestions for our podcast. If you are ever in Taipei and would like to join as a guest, we welcome you with open arms and great Uncertainty! Besides being a podcast, Uncertain Pathfinders also offers 1-1 or group coaching services for individuals facing Uncertainty in their lives, or those wanting to more proactively invite Uncertainty and unlock potential. In addition, we also offer applied improv workshops for building team dynamics, communication, and psychological safety, as well as facilitating group discussions focusing on Non Violent Communication (NVC). Please contact us at [email protected] or through our Linkedin or Instagram accounts, and as always, we look forward to inviting Uncertainty, opening the door to possibility, and pressing play together for forward action!

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Welcome to listen to the first episode of the Uncertain Pathfinders or UP podcast. This podcast asks listeners and guests to do three things:

1. Invite Uncertainty
2. Open the door to Possibility
3. Press Play Together for further exploration

Join our two hosts Jeffrey and Miranda as they dive into the realm of Uncertainty with positive and experimental mindsets. Longtime friends in Taiwan, Jeffrey and Miranda are both co-founders of Taiwan's first fully bilingual (Chinese and Mandarin) improv performance group, Formosa Improv Group (FIG) 福爾摩沙即興組合. Due to their comfort with bilingualism, some of these episodes may be mostly English, mostly Chinese, or a mixture of both--it's all really up to Uncertainty.

Jeffrey is the Founder and Chief Possibility Officer 願景長 of Uncertain Pathfinders. Jeffrey left his previous position as Chief Learning Officer (CLO) to focus more on life coaching, applied improv facilitation, and Non Violent Communication (NVC) for constructive conflict. Miranda is a full time mother, as well as promoter and part-timer for Taiwan's Polyglot Community or Multilingual Cafe.

In this episode, these two hosts set the stage for the show as they introduce what Uncertainty means to them. Following the introduction, they both connect novelty and a "beginner's mindset" with Uncertainty and each share one experience they have with Uncertainty from their own pasts. In the end, we look to the future, and what opportunities we can see that Uncertainty brings us down the road. Looking forward to embracing Uncertainty together! 擁抱不確定性！

Some references and links that are mentioned throughout this episode:

• Formosa Improv Group (FIG): Taipei's first bilingual improv group community
• Polyglot Conference 2025: Discover a world of language lovers here
• Rights Con 2025: The world's leading summit on human rights in the digital age
• ATD x Wynn Asia Leadership Summit: Asia's premier leadership and talent event
• Simon Sinek's, The Infinite Game: We can’t choose the game. We can’t choose the rules. We can only choose how we play.
• Shin Yeh: A signature Taiwanese restaurant

Contact [email protected] for inquiries about coaching, applied improv facilitation, Non Violent Communication, or if you have any follow-up questions about today's show and would be interested to join us in the studio to share your own experience with Uncertainty!

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