Today I share my conversation with Hayley Gene Penner, singer, songwriter, and author of the new memoir People You Follow, which explores Hayley's relationships - from her childhood as the daughter of a celebrity to the coercive relationship with her boss. Hayley's stories of questionable sexual encounters, artistic aspirations, and emotional abuse trace her coming of age in the music industry.
Topics
Pretending to be someone else / putting on an act
Accessing your value as a partner
Expressing anger
Being the "cool" girl
Having gratitude for all of life's experiences
Forgiveness and compassion
Re-framing failure and defining success
What comes in when you create space
Integrating feelings of freedom after escaping from a controlling situation
Links
https://bookshop.org/books/people-you-follow-a-memoir/9781459747142 (Hayley's book - People You Follow)
https://www.instagram.com/hayleygenepenner/ (Hayley's Instagram)
https://open.spotify.com/artist/1ytHo44bNtIESiArfclJPe?si=epJA8YS0SyOesgxEtiapiA (Hayley on Spotify)
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-pattern/id1071085727 (The Pattern iPhone App)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3zFwVOqiZcE0xbJ0sVm9yO?si=sRatuJgYQ6GOzFsjjoyj5w (Undefined Episode 2 - discussing the "cool girl")
https://www.netflix.com/title/80216393 (David Attenborough's A Life On Our Planet)
Link to my https://www.instagram.com/marisatashman/ (Instagram), https://www.marisatashman.com/ (photography website), https://www.undefinedpodcast.com/ (podcast website).
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast. And to https://my.captivate.fm/laurastrohbusch.com (Laura Strohbusch) for the podcast graphic.
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Today I share my conversation with Lauren McAlpin, an educator, tarot card reader and soon-to-be deck author, reiki practitioner, psychic channel, and graduate student in psychology at Harvard.
Topics
Developing your "clairs" (heightening your intuitive abilities)
Lauren's intuitive gifts
Overcoming a debilitating illness
Experiencing communicating with their father's spirit
Protecting your energy from your own energy
Balancing their multiple sides: the mystical/spiritual side and type A side
Spiritual boundaries
Being conditioned to never rest
Indications of overwhelm
Inspiration for Lauren's new tarot card deck: Tales of the Black Tarot
Exploring their lineage and being adopted
The label of "being non-binary" and sexuality overshadowing gender
Links
https://www.instagram.com/lauren.mcalpin/ (Lauren's Instagram)
https://www.instagram.com/fogandreign/ (Fog + Reign Instagram)
https://www.laurenmcalpin.com/ (Lauren's website)
https://www.talesoftheblacktarot.com/ (Tales of the Black Tarot website)
https://bookshop.org/books/pamela-colman-smith-the-untold-story/9781572819122 (Pamela Colman Smith: The Untold Story)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider-Waite_tarot_deck (Rider-Waite Tarot Deck)
https://www.mediumfleur.com/ (Medium Fleur)
https://bookshop.org/books/365-days-of-hoodoo-daily-rootwork-mojo-conjuration/9780738747842 (365 Days of Hoodoo by Stephanie Rose Bird)
https://bookshop.org/books/a-cultural-history-of-tarot-from-entertainment-to-esotericism/9781788314916 (A Cultural History of Tarot by Helen Farley)
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast. And to https://my.captivate.fm/laurastrohbusch.com (Laura Strohbusch) for the podcast graphic.
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In today's episode, I share my conversation with Jordan Sale, founder of 81cents - a negotiating platform designed to help close pay gaps for women and underrepresented minorities.
Topics Discussed:
Untying your work from your identity
Navigating guilt from self-care
Pressure to perform
The line between rigidity and fluidity
Mission-driven work
Starting 81cents
Over-committing yourself and what that feels like
The narrative and re-framing the stories we tell ourselves
Letting out emotions rather than keeping them in your head
Practicing authenticity and self-awareness
Having a gratitude practice
Links:
https://www.81cents.com/ (81cents) website
https://www.instagram.com/81_cents/ (81cents Instagram)
https://www.notion.so/Welcome-to-the-81cents-Resource-Library-17c0817a6b6b459082b0375a0b877736 (81cents Resource Library) (on Notion!)
https://www.instagram.com/jorpunsale/ (Jordan's Pun Instagram)
https://bookshop.org/books/just-mercy-a-story-of-justice-and-redemption/9780812984965 (Just Mercy) by Bryan Stevenson and the https://eji.org/ (Equal Justice Initiative)
https://bookshop.org/books/smart-people-should-build-things-how-to-restore-our-culture-of-achievement-build-a-path-for-entrepreneurs-and-create-new-jobs-in-america/9780062292049 (Smart People Should Build Things) by Andrew Yang
https://bookshop.org/books/somebody-should-have-told-us-simple-truths-for-living-well/9781926918266 (Somebody Should Have Told Us!: Simple Truths for Living Well) by Jack Pransky
https://bookshop.org/books/the-gifts-of-imperfection-let-go-of-who-you-think-you-re-supposed-to-be-and-embrace-who-you-are/9781592858491 (The Gifts of Imperfection) by Brené Brown
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast. And to https://my.captivate.fm/laurastrohbusch.com (Laura Strohbusch) for the podcast graphic.
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Today I share my conversation with EB Meerson, a high school teacher and founder of Maison de Meerson, a personal styling consulting service for people size 16+ who reclaim the label "fat."
Topics:
Challenges of being a first generation American
EB's near death experience and how that sparked deep gratitude for her body
Holding trauma in the body
Diet culture and systems of supremacy
How "beauty" has been replaced by "health"
Reclaiming the label "fat"
EB's personal styling consulting company
How being a teacher is a mirror
Links:
Maison de Meerson https://www.maisondemeerson.com/ (Website) and https://www.instagram.com/maisondemeerson/ (Instagram)
https://www.sabrinastrings.com/ (Sabrina Strings) https://bookshop.org/books/fearing-the-black-body-the-racial-origins-of-fat-phobia/9781479886753 (Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia)
https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-does-not-discriminate-by-body-weight/ (Christy Harrison's article COVID-19 Does Not Discriminate by Body Weight)
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/589/tell-me-im-fat (Lindy West coming out as "fat" on This American Life)
https://www.jibrionline.com/ (JIBRI designer)
Simi Botic's https://www.simibotic.com/ (Website) and https://www.instagram.com/simibotic/ (Instagram)
https://bookshop.org/books/untamed-9781984801258/9781984801258 (Glennon Doyle's Untamed)
https://bookshop.org/books/playing-in-the-dark-whiteness-and-the-literary-imagination/9780679745426 (Toni Morrison's Playing in the Dark)
List of EB's recommended Instagram accounts to follow: https://www.instagram.com/gabifresh/ (@gabifresh) https://www.instagram.com/yrfatfriend/ (@yrfatfriend) https://www.instagram.com/thebodyisnotanapology/ (@thebodyisnotanapology) https://www.instagram.com/roseybeeme/ (@roseybeeme )https://www.instagram.com/theplusbus/ (@theplusbus) https://www.instagram.com/modachrome/ (@modachrome) https://www.instagram.com/therealmrskelley/ (@therealmrskelley )https://www.instagram.com/marielle.elizabeth/ (@marielle.elizabeth) https://www.instagram.com/itsmekellieb/ (@itsmekellieb) https://www.instagram.com/thisisjessicatorres/ (@thisisjessicatorres)
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast. And to https://my.captivate.fm/laurastrohbusch.com (Laura Strohbusch) for the podcast graphic.
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Today I share my conversation with Simi Botic, an intuitive eating counselor, women's empowerment coach, author of Letting Go of Leo: How I Broke Up with Perfection, and founder of Unmeasured Barre.
Topics Covered:
Giving yourself permission to feel emotions
Self-compassion
People pleasing
Women's empowerment
When life and death happens at the same time
Doula training with Latham Thomas at Mama Glow
Links:
https://www.instagram.com/simibotic/ (Simi's Instagram)
https://www.simibotic.com/ (Simi's Website)
https://unmeasured.simibotic.com/ (Unmeasured Barre)
https://bookshop.org/books/letting-go-of-leo-how-i-broke-up-with-perfection-9781504392709/9781504392709 (Simi's Book)
https://mamaglow.com/ (Latham Thomas Mama Glow doula training)
https://www.instagram.com/mamaglow/ (Mama Glow instagram)
https://www.janetlansbury.com/ (Janet Lansbury) - https://www.amazon.com/No-Bad-Kids-Toddler-Discipline/dp/1499351119 (book No Bad Kids); https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/respectful-parenting-janet-lansbury-unruffled/id1030050704 (podcast Unruffled)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEc-vwZhZ_D/ (Instagram post re: emotional intelligence )
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast. And to https://my.captivate.fm/laurastrohbusch.com (Laura Strohbusch) for the podcast graphic.
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In today's episode, I talk with Jon Marro, an extremely talented artist, filmmaker, the author of Keepers of Color and Holden Hugs the World, and the resident creative genius for the Cafe Gratitude, Gracias Madre, and Be Love Farm family. Jon and I recorded this episode live, while I was staying on the Be Love Farm, so you will likely hear some farm noises like tractors, cows mooing, dogs barking, people talking, and children laughing.
Topics Covered:
The feeling of being in "alignment" with who you are
Jon's journey as an artist
Giving your entire attention to a task
How integrity is transferred into Jon's art
Relying on external sources for connection to source
Becoming your own "guru"
Disconnecting in order to reconnect
Ideas as entities
Making art in response to darkness
Optimism
Holding space for others
Destruction for destruction's sake
Learning how to rest
Links:
https://www.instagram.com/jonmarro/ (Jon's Instagram)
https://jonmarro.com/ (Jon's website)
https://jonmarro.com/jmshop/ (Holden Hugs store)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781501167676 (The Keepers of Color book)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781734190694 (Holden Hugs the World book)
https://www.instagram.com/terces/ (Terces Engelhart Instagram)
https://www.belovefarm.com/ (Be Love Farm)
https://www.instagram.com/cafegratitude/ (Cafe Gratitude)
https://www.instagram.com/graciasmadresocal/ (Gracias Madre)
http://bayoakomolafe.net/ (Poet Bayo Akomolafe)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780698410961 (Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781603588133 (Call of the Reed Warbler by Charles Massy)
https://www.instagram.com/natureismetal/ (Nature is Metal Instagram)
https://open.spotify.com/album/1GfVP5px88FUJ2TSW7uWmu (Pop Sutras album by Nadav)
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast. And to Laura Strohbusch for the podcast graphic.
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In today's episode, I talk with Julia Stephanides, a lawyer fighting for the rights of writers at the Writers Guild of America.
Topics Discussed:
Societal conditioning to be an extrovert
Challenges of being a lawyer on a spiritual path
Defining yourself by your emotions
Tension between the desire to belong and practicing authenticity
Pressure to be the "cool girl"
Beauty of being an empath
Concept of being "nobody"
Links:
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781415959138 (Quiet by Susan Cain)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781683642114 (The Empath's Survival Guide by Judith Orloff)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781572245372 (The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780812985818 (Braving the Wilderness by Brene Brown)
https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780316420358 (Anti-Diet by Christy Harrison)
https://www.maryamajayi.com/ (Breathwork with Maryam Ajayi)
https://sundaysangha.net/ (Will Kabat-Zinn Meditations)
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast.
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In today's episode, I talk with Sara Ayers, founder of The Base Body Co., a company that created organic and vegan adaptogenic wellness powders to help you cope with the stressful realities of our environment and culture.
Topics Discussed:
Increasing your intuition and trusting your inner voice;
Being a female founder and overcoming fears of being judged;
Defining yourself by your work;
Coping with the "hustle" culture of the wellness industry;
Daily rituals to stay grounded
Being gifted spell books and love potions as a child;
Incorporating sound meditation through music;
Dating intuitively;
The importance of mentorship; and
Learning how to stand up for yourself.
Relevant Links:
https://www.instagram.com/mssayres/ (Sara's Instagram)
The Base Body Co. https://thebasebodyco.com/ (Website) & https://www.instagram.com/thebasebodyco/ (Instagram)
https://www.createcultivate.com/ (Create & Cultivate)
https://wavemeditation.com/ (Wave Meditation App)
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Light-Chasers-Reclaiming/dp/1594485259 (Dark Side of Light Chasers) by Debbie Ford
https://www.myhumandesign.com/ (Jenna Zoe), human design reader
https://centr.com/join-us (Centr) (Chris Hemsworth's company)
As always, thank you to https://www.instagram.com/goodcompanymgmt/ (Maytav Koter) and https://moseycreative.com/ (Spencer Stewart) for the music on my podcast.
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