From protest camps to courtroom battles, activists have tried for years to stop oil pipelines—but the oil keeps flowing. This episode examines why restricting supply doesn’t always mean reducing demand, and how climate action can lead to surprising outcomes when economics takes over. What happens when a win on principle leads to a loss in practice?

More on the pipeline vs rail study: https://climate.uchicago.edu/working-papers/environmental-consequences-of-hydrocarbon-infrastructure-policy/

More on Ryan Kellogg: https://climate.uchicago.edu/people/ryan-kellogg/ 

Shocked is part of the University of Chicago Podcast Network and produced by Magnificent Noise for the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth, which combines a 360-degree approach to education with frontier research having an impact in front-line communities globally. The Institute’s efforts are driven by the need to balance climate risks with societal growth. To follow or support their work, see our show notes or visit climate.uchicago.edu

Amy Harder is the host, along with co-host, Michael Greenstone, a professor at the University of Chicago and director of the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth. Our executive producers are Eric Nuzum, Michael Greenstone, and Sam Ori. Our production staff includes Christine Driscoll, Amy Pedulla, Sophie Bridges, Jamie York, and Samantha Henig. Our sound designer is Kristen Mueller. 

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.