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This week: Former Vice President Mike Pence receives a subpoena from the Special Counsel’s Office; the DoJ and ODNI offer Congress a briefing on their risk assessment of the documents seized from Mar-a-Lago; the looming indictment from Fani Willis could have ripple effects on the Special Counsel probe; Rep. Scott Perry’s secret privilege battle over the contents of his phone; and more.

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Hugo Lowell

Investigative Reporter with The Guardian

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Allison and Andy talk about: Eastman’s disbarment complaint; Shanlon Wu joins to talk about Tom Fitton’s appearance at two different grand juries and the case for giving FBI access to Rep. Perry’s phone; plus how to know which sources to trust.

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Allison and Andy go over: what Ken Cuccinelli's Jan. 6 deposition tells us about what information he could be telling Jack Smith’s grand jury; how Smith might get past Cuccinelli’s privilege concerns; Pence docs; how the Durham probe may have uncovered Trump crimes; plus a listener question, and more

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Allison and Andy discuss new information about people who have testified to a grand jury in investigations under Jack Smith’s purview - including people with knowledge of Trump’s efforts to declassify documents related to the Russia investigation; Trump and Alina Habba get hit with big sanctions; listener questions; and more.

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Allison and Andy discuss classified document handling; the appointment of Hur; new subpoenas served; and more.

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Allison and Andy discuss the latest developments in Judge Beryl Howell’s courtroom; plus they’re joined by Zoe Tillman to discuss her reporting in Bloomberg saying that indictments could be mere weeks away; and more.

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Allison and Andy tell us about Jack Smith. From his time as a high school benchwarmer to his time at the Hague, your hosts take you through the career of the new Special Counsel

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Allison and Andy talk about new extensive cooperation between the January 6th Committee and the special counsel; a potential for expansion or assistance with the special counsel investigation into obstruction of justice; what some of the January 6th committee materials say about one of the central special counsel investigation - the fraudulent electors scheme, and more.

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Allison and Andy talk about what the avalanche of subpoenas around the fake electors scheme; the dismissal of the civil suit Trump brought to block DoJ from using the documents they seized from Mar-a-Lago; plus they talk with Andrew Weissmann and Ryan Goodman about Just Security’s model prosecution memo and what a special counsel investigation looks like from the inside.

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