Host: Jason Rigby

 

Guest: Pam Montgomery

 

Guest Website: wakeuptonature.com

 

Podcast Mission: Higher and Saint Living (HDL) aims to explore profound topics that elevate consciousness and foster a deeper connection to the world around us. In this episode, we dive into humanity’s relationship with nature and the transformative power of plants with Pam Montgomery.

 

About Our Guest: Pam Montgomery

 

Pam Montgomery is an author, teacher, international speaker, and self-described Earth Elder who has dedicated over three decades to exploring the intelligent and spiritual nature of plants and trees. She is the author of two acclaimed books: Plant Spirit Healing: A Guide to Working with Plant Consciousness and Partner Earth: A Spiritual Ecology. Her latest work, Co-Creating with Nature: Healing the Wound of Separation, serves as the foundation for this episode’s discussion. Pam operates the Partner Earth Education Center at Sweetwater Sanctuary in Danby, Vermont, a space dedicated to co-creative research and sustainable living with nature. She teaches globally on plant spirit healing, spiritual ecology, and the concept of humans as "Nature Evolutionaries." Pam is a founding member of United Plant Savers and the Organization of Nature Evolutionaries (O.N.E.), and her current passion lies in facilitating plant initiations to guide humanity back to its symbiotic roots.

 

About Sweetwater Sanctuary

 

Located in Danby, Vermont, Sweetwater Sanctuary is a sacred space where Pam and her team honor the land, water, and all beings through prayer, ceremony, and offerings. It’s a haven for optimal learning and deep healing, encouraging visitors to awaken to natural rhythms and engage in loving kindness. The sanctuary fosters a profound connection with nature, enhancing the sense of sanctuary for all who visit.

 

Episode Overview

 

In this episode of the HDL Podcast, host Jason Rigby sits down with Pam Montgomery to explore her book Co-Creating with Nature: Healing the Wound of Separation. Recorded on March 29, 2025, this conversation dives into the consciousness of plants, their role as our elders and partners, and how reconnecting with nature can heal both ourselves and the planet. Pam blends scientific insights, personal anecdotes, and spiritual wisdom to offer a practical yet profound roadmap for living in harmony with "sweet Lady Gaia."

 

Key Discussion Points

1. Plants as Conscious Partners (03:12 - 06:46)

• Pam argues that plants are not just alive but conscious beings capable of communicating with us through vibratory resonance (light and sound).
• She emphasizes their essential role in sustaining life—providing oxygen, food, and medicine—and warns that our disconnect from them is dangerous.
• Jason references scientific studies showing plants responding to music and words, sparking a discussion on how everything vibrates, including humans and plants.

 

2. How to Communicate with Plants (06:46 - 13:14)

• Pam explains that plants fine-tune their resonance to us more effectively than we do to them because they are simply themselves, undistributed by human distractions.
• Practical tip: Be present with a plant, let it choose you (via attraction, movement, or intuition), and notice the sensations it evokes in your body (e.g., tingling, softness).
• She introduces biophotons—particles of light at the nucleus of our cells—that create a "laser" of coherence for two-way communication with plants, even across time and space.

 

3. Plant Initiations and Healing (13:14 - 18:06)

• Pam contrasts chasing external spiritual practices (e.g., gurus, crystals) with the power of "backyard weeds" like mugwort, which can heal us deeply through symbiotic connection.
• She shares a story of poke root appearing in her Vermont garden in 2020, a potent immune-supporting plant, as an example of nature responding to human needs.
• Plants show up where they’re needed, offering gifts we often overlook due to our lack of attention.

 

4. The Wound of Separation (19:11 - 22:22)

• Pam traces humanity’s separation from nature back 12,000 years to agriculture and empire-building, which led to an "amnesia" of our interdependence with the land.
• This original wound has cascading effects: separation from self, others, and the planet, resulting in widespread illness and disconnection.
• Biophilia—our innate love of nature—underscores how we’re designed to live closely with plants.

 

5. Uncomfortable Truths and Nature Evolutionaries (22:58 - 26:17)

• The biggest lie we tell ourselves: Humans are the "crown of creation" and more intelligent than nature. Pam challenges this, citing Darwin’s coerced narrative and nature’s model of cooperation over competition.
• On her website, wakeuptonature.com, Pam calls us to become "Nature Evolutionaries," partnering with nature rather than relying solely on technology to "save" the planet.

 

6. Nature’s Communication Networks (26:17 - 33:11)

• Pam shares a powerful story of a Puyo—an underground waterway portal in Vermont—where she and her husband, guided by Ecuadorian curandera Rocio Alarcon, heard forest spirits sing after a ritual with ayahuasca.
• She compares nature’s mycelium network to the internet, highlighting its efficiency and biomimicry potential.

 

7. Signs of a Consciousness Shift (33:11 - 37:53)

• Pam sees plants leading humanity’s spiritual evolution, citing the 1960s explosion of consciousness-expanding plants (cannabis, peyote, mushrooms) and modern practices like flower essences and plant initiations.
• Skeptics miss this hidden sign: Plants have always preceded their animal counterparts in evolution, and they’re now guiding us toward unity consciousness.

 

8. Diving Deeper into Nature (37:53 - 43:23)

• Unlike spiritual paths that reject the material world, Pam’s approach embraces nature as divine, present in everything—not a distant deity.
• She describes daily "wow moments" (e.g., sunrise walks in Belize) that release oxytocin, the bonding hormone, fostering restoration and connection over stress (cortisol).

9. Healing Through Plants (46:52 - 50:19)

• Pam cites biophysicist Fritz Popp’s discovery that plant biophotons can repattern unhealthy cells’ light toward health, offering a cellular-level explanation for plant healing.
• Beyond science, plants uplift us emotionally and spiritually—e.g., the awe of a redwood forest or the scent of roses—because healing is one of their primary gifts.

 

10. Mugwort as a Teacher and Soulmate (50:49 - 54:57)

• Mugwort (Artemisia spp.), known as "Oona, the first herb," moves stagnant energy, aids dream recall (nighttime and shamanic), and reconnects us to our wild, undomesticated selves.
• Associated with Artemis and the moon, it supports women through life transitions and is a key ally in spiritual healing.

 

11. Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Projects (56:11 - 58:06)

• Jason praises Co-Creating with Nature as a timely wake-up call with a heartbeat, inviting listeners to heal themselves and the planet through reverence for nature.
• Pam previews her work:
  • Plant Initiations: Ceremonies where plants act as elders, guiding us to be "truly human." Offered at Sweetwater Sanctuary and worldwide.
  • Year-Long Course (September 2025): With Emma Fitchett, training facilitators for plant initiations.
  • Online Course: "Co-Creative Partnership with Nature" (8 months).
• Visit wakeuptonature.com for details.

 

How to Get the Book

• Title: Co-Creating with Nature: Healing the Wound of Separation
• Cost: $27.00 (includes shipping)
• Order by Mail: Send a check to Pam Montgomery, 1525 Danby Mtn. Rd., Danby, VT 05739
• Order Online: Click here
• Buy it from Amazon

 

 

Quotes from the Episode

• "Plants completely, on all levels—physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual—provide us our life." – Pam Montgomery
• "The plant can fine-tune its resonance to us... They draw you to them." – Pam Montgomery
• "We are not the crown of creation. It’s about cooperation, not competition." – Pam Montgomery
• "Plants have always preceded their animal counterparts in evolution... They’re guiding us into a quantum leap in consciousness." – Pam Montgomery
• "Nature is sentient, just like we are. We’re equal in this co-creative partnership." – Pam Montgomery

 

 

Connect with Pam Montgomery

 

• Website: wakeuptonature.com
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/natureevolutionaries
• IG: https://www.instagram.com/natureevolutionaries/
• Upcoming Event: Stay tuned for a follow-up episode on plant initiations before the September 2025 course launch!

 

 

Listener Call-to-Action

 

• Subscribe to the HDL Podcast for more conversations on consciousness and living sustainably.
• Purchase Co-Creating with Nature to dive deeper into Pam’s teachings.
• Share this episode with someone who loves plants or needs a nature-inspired wake-up call.
• Leave a review and let us know your favorite takeaway!

 

Thank you for joining us on this journey to reconnect with nature’s wisdom. As Pam says, "We’re on the threshold of a tipping point"—let’s step into unity together. See you next time on HDL!