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his Patreon bonus episode with Kenice Mobley about Bezos vs. Musk on space was so fun we decided to unlock it.

Bezos wants us to live in cylinders, Musk wants us to nuke Mars, but both of them want a future where we're all digital beings maximizing value. Some of the wildest information we've talked about so far.

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For further reading:

Jason Hickel: https://www.jasonhickel.org/less-is-more

Astrotopia: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo184287883.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/12/15/forget-musks-martian-ambition-jeff-bezos-thinks-humans-should-live-in-giant-cylindrical-space-stations/

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/nuke-mars-elon-musk-seems-serious-about-plan-terraform-red-ncna1045181

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/science/starship-spacex-explosion-elon-musk.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/technology/elon-musk-spacex-mars.html