Unraveling Adoption

"I...sometimes I forget that I'm Asian unless I see myself in a mirror." -- Nathan Nowack

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EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the pleasure of speaking with Nathan Nowack, a Korean adoptee, professional photographer, and co-host of The Janchi Show. Nathan shared his adoption story, having been adopted from Korea at just five and a half months old and raised in a predominantly white community in Oklahoma. He reflected on his childhood, noting the lack of cultural representation and the challenges of navigating his Asian identity in a world that often sees him as different.

We discussed the complexities of transracial adoption, including the impact of his parents' approach to race and culture. Nathan emphasized the importance of understanding and acknowledging one's racial identity, especially in a society that often overlooks these nuances. He shared his experiences with microaggressions and the emotional toll they can take on adoptees, highlighting the need for greater awareness and sensitivity.

Nathan also spoke about his involvement with KAAN (Korean American Adoptee Adoptive Family Network) and how connecting with other adoptees has been instrumental in his healing journey. He described the sense of community he found there and the importance of sharing diverse adoption stories, acknowledging that each experience is unique.

As a father of three multiple-ethnicity children, Nathan is committed to helping them understand their cultural heritage. He shared how he incorporates Asian traditions and celebrations into their lives, ensuring they have a strong sense of identity.

This conversation was rich with insights into the complexities of adoption, identity, and community. I hope listeners find Nathan's story as inspiring and enlightening as I did. Be sure to check out The Janchi Show and connect with Nathan on Instagram for more of his journey and perspectives. Thank you for joining us, and I look forward to our next episode!

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RESOURCES:

Nathan's information:

• Find Nathan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nnowack/

• Check out Nathan's Podcast: www.janchishow.com and https://www.instagram.com/janchishow/

• Find out more about KAAN: www.wearekaan.org and https://www.instagram.com/wearekaan/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

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TIME STAMPS:

00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and guest Nathan Nowack.

00:01:26 - Nathan's Adoption Story Nathan shares his background as a Korean adoptee raised in a predominantly white environment.

00:02:50 - Cultural Representation in Upbringing Discussion on the lack of Asian cultural representation in Nathan's childhood.

00:03:50 - Transracial Adoption and Parental Awareness Nathan reflects on his adoptive parents' understanding of transracial adoption.

00:05:32 - The Melting Pot Mentality Exploration of the "colorblind" approach to race and its implications for Nathan.

00:06:52 - Microaggressions and Identity Nathan discusses experiences with microaggressions and their impact on his identity.

00:08:38 - Community and Connection The importance of finding community among other adoptees for support and understanding.

00:09:18 - Involvement with KAAN Nathan explains his role in the Korean American Adoptee Adoptive Family Network (KAAN).

00:10:56 - Upcoming KAAN Conference Details about the next KAAN conference and its themes.

00:11:41 - Healing Through Shared Stories How connecting with other adoptees aids in Nathan's healing journey.

00:12:30 - The Complexity of Adoption Stories Discussion on the varied experiences of adoptees and the ongoing nature of loss.

00:13:44 - Reunion with Biological Family Nathan shares his experience of reuniting with his biological siblings.

00:15:17 - Communication Challenges with Siblings The difficulties of connecting with his siblings due to language barriers.

00:16:37 - Sibling Trauma and Adoption Exploration of the trauma experienced by Nathan's siblings regarding his adoption.

00:17:45 - Parenting Mixed-Race Children Nathan discusses raising his children with awareness of their diverse heritage.

00:19:15 - Cultural Education for Children How Nathan incorporates Asian culture and representation into his children's lives.

00:20:37 - Food and Cultural Connection Nathan's love for food and how it connects him to his heritage and family.

00:21:50 - Living Through His Children Reflections on how Nathan experiences his own identity through his children's upbringing.

00:22:45 - Closing Thoughts and Resources Nathan expresses gratitude for the opportunity to share his story and offers ways to connect.

"I think now that we have this knowledge, then we can use our story to help create awareness." - Lori Evans Ermi

Read the transcript here: https://app.swellai.com/t/tp_01JDRMT4Z5RGJ6SD35WBFBT4PM

EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the pleasure of welcoming Lori Evans Ermi and her 17-year-old daughter, Kate Ermi, both of whom are adoptees and co-wrote their new book, Adoption Songs. Our conversation delved into the complexities of adoption from their unique perspectives, highlighting the emotional layers that come with their experiences.

Lori shared her journey as a domestic adoptee from the baby scoop era, detailing her late discovery of her adoption at the age of eight and the trust issues that arose from that revelation. Despite having loving adoptive parents, she faced challenges in her identity and connection to her biological roots. Kate, on the other hand, has always known she was adopted and has navigated her own path of understanding her heritage, which was further illuminated through DNA testing.

We discussed the creation of Adoption Songs, where each chapter is framed as a track, with contributors choosing songs that resonate with their adoption stories. The book aims to provide a broad perspective on adoption, acknowledging both the joys and the inherent losses that come with it. Lori emphasized the importance of music as a healing tool, and Kate shared her lifelong passion for music, which has been a source of comfort for her.

Throughout our conversation, we touched on the significance of community and shared experiences among adoptees, as well as the need for more resources and support for young adults in the adoption community. Lori and Kate's commitment to raising awareness and fostering understanding about adoption's complexities is truly inspiring.

I encourage listeners to check out their book and visit their website, adoptionsongs.org, for more information and resources. Additionally, I shared details about an upcoming event, Adoption Healing Quest, which will take place in February 2025, aimed at exploring various healing modalities within the adoption community.

Thank you for joining us in this important conversation, and I hope you find the insights shared by Lori and Kate as enlightening as I did.

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RESOURCES:

Lori and Kate's information:

• Find their website with info about their book Adoption Songs: https://www.adoptionsongs.org/

Other resource mentioned in this episode:

• The Primal Wound by Nancy Verrier: https://www.amazon.com/Primal-Wound-Understanding-Adopted-Child/dp/0963648004

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

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TIME STAMPS

00:00:00 - Welcome to Unraveling Adoption Introduction to the podcast and hosts, Beth, Lori, and Kate.

00:01:10 - Adoptee Stories: Lori's Journey Lori shares her adoption story, including her experiences and feelings about being adopted.

00:04:47 - Adoptee Stories: Kate's Journey Kate discusses her adoption experience and her understanding of her identity.

00:06:45 - The Complexity of Adoption Discussion on the layers of adoption and the importance of understanding different perspectives.

00:07:33 - Creating Adoption Songs Exploration of the book "Adoption Songs" and the involvement of both Lori and Kate in its creation.

00:10:43 - The Primal Wound Concept Introduction to the concept of The Primal Wound and its significance in adoption narratives.

00:11:45 - Future Plans for Adoption Songs Plans for a sequel to the book and the inclusion of more diverse perspectives.

00:12:38 - The Role of Music in Healing Discussion on how music plays a significant role in the lives of Lori and Kate.

00:14:40 - Untangling Our Roots Experience Kate shares her experience at the Untangling Our Roots event and the impact of hearing others' stories.

00:18:03 - Navigating Complex Emotions Lori and Kate discuss the complexities of their relationship and the duality of love and loss in adoption.

00:21:29 - Mainstream Adoption Narratives The importance of presenting adoption stories in a way that is accessible and relatable to a broader audience.

00:22:30 - Finding Resources and Support Information on where to find the book and additional resources related to adoption.

00:23:26 - Upcoming Events and Closing Thoughts Announcement of future events and a closing message of gratitude to listeners.

"I almost feel like there was a blueprint, and I was a character to fit into that blueprint." -- Tim Perdion

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the opportunity to speak with Tim Perdion, an adoptee from Ohio who has spent the last decade navigating his journey of self-discovery and healing. Tim shares his experience of being adopted shortly after birth and the feelings of not belonging that plagued him throughout his childhood. Despite growing up in a loving family, he struggled with anger and a sense of isolation, which led him to seek validation through sports and relationships.

As a teenager, Tim turned to substances to cope with his internal struggles, leading to a reputation for overindulgence in high school. After facing personal crises in adulthood, including two divorces, he sought help at a trauma and addiction clinic, where he began to confront the deeper issues related to his adoption. Tim highlights the lack of focus on adoption-related trauma in traditional recovery settings and emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and community for male adoptees.

He introduces the concept of the "orphaned heart," describing the emotional barriers adoptees build to protect themselves from feelings of abandonment and rejection. Tim encourages younger male adoptees to explore their inner worlds and seek support, reminding them that they are not alone in their struggles.

This episode is a heartfelt exploration of the complexities of adoption, the significance of community, and the power of vulnerability. I hope Tim's story resonates with many and inspires others to seek understanding and connection in their own journeys.

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RESOURCES:

Tim's information:

• Email Tim at [email protected]

• Tim's Website: http://prodigalpathways.com/

• Find Tim on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timperdion/

• Find Tim on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tperdion

• Find Tim on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timperdion/

Books mentioned in the episode:

• The Primal Wound by Nancy Verrier: https://www.amazon.com/Primal-Wound-Understanding-Adopted-Child/dp/0963648004

• Healing the Orphaned Heart: Renewal for the Misunderstood, the Abused, and Abandoned by Casey Treat: https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Orphaned-Heart-Misunderstood-Abandoned/dp/1577944518

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

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TIME STAMPS

00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption 00:01:24 - Tim's Childhood and Adoption Experience 00:03:47 - Struggles with Identity and Belonging 00:06:26 - The Impact of Family Dynamics 00:08:56 - Substance Use and Coping Mechanisms 00:10:51 - Seeking Help and Treatment 00:12:08 - Understanding Adoption Trauma 00:14:20 - The Journey of Self-Discovery 00:16:02 - Finding Community and Connection 00:19:05 - The Importance of Sharing Stories 00:20:17 - Challenges for Male Adoptees 00:22:05 - The Role of Forgiveness in Healing 00:24:46 - Learning to Ask for Help 00:27:04 - Advice for Younger Male Adoptees 00:29:44 - Resources and Community Support 00:30:57 - Conclusion and Call to Action

"The plants are always turning everything upside down because our culture is upside down." -- Mee Ok Icaro

EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I, Beth Syverson, welcome back Mee Ok Icaro, a previous guest who has shared her profound insights on adoption and healing through plant medicine. This episode is particularly special as we recorded as we prepared for an ayahuasca retreat in Costa Rica, where I participated in my first ceremony under Mee Ok's guidance.

We begin by discussing our feelings as the retreat approaches. I express my excitement mixed with a hint of fear, acknowledging that this experience is far outside my comfort zone. Mee Ok shares her own anticipation and the unique challenges of leading a retreat for the first time, emphasizing the importance of focusing on personal healing rather than taking on the burdens of others.

Mee Ok elaborates on the concept of leadership in the context of plant medicine, contrasting it with traditional views. She explains that true leadership often involves humility and a willingness to learn from others, rather than a desire for power or control. This perspective shifts the narrative around what it means to guide others in their healing journeys.

As we delve deeper into the preparations for the retreat, we discuss the rigorous dieta we have both been following. This dieta involves strict dietary and behavioral restrictions designed to prepare our bodies and minds for the transformative experience ahead. I share my struggles with giving up my phone and certain foods items and the impact of reducing external stimuli on my mental clarity and emotional well-being.

Mee Ok and I also touch on the broader implications of accessibility to plant medicine, particularly for marginalized communities. We discuss the challenges faced by individuals from lower-income backgrounds in accessing these healing modalities and the need for a more equitable approach as psychedelics become more mainstream.

Throughout the episode, we reflect on the importance of integration and preparation in the healing process. I share my personal journey with ketamine treatment and how it has helped me move away from antidepressants, highlighting the significance of active engagement in one's healing journey rather than passively relying on substances.

As we conclude, we express our excitement for the upcoming retreat and the potential for profound transformation. We plan to record a follow-up episode after the retreat to share our experiences and insights gained during this journey.

Join us as we explore the complexities of adoption, healing, and the transformative power of plant medicine in this thought-provoking episode.

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📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar

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RESOURCES:

Mee Ok's information:

• Connect with Mee Ok through her website: https://holdingcompassionate.space/

• Hear Mee Ok's previous Unraveling Adoption podcast episode, "Ayahuasca for Transforming Trauma and Pain with Mee Ok Icaro": https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/28697873

• Hear Mee Ok and Leslie Pate Mackinnon's previous Unraveling Adoption podcast episode "Insights from Plant Medicine for the Adoption Constellation with Mee Ok Icaro and Leslie Pate Mackinnon": https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/31869557

• Register for Mee Ok's next Adoptee-Only Medicine Circle here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/medicine-circles-for-adoptees-with-mee-ok-icaro-tickets-1011041370957

Other resources mentioned in this episode:

• Soltara Healing Center (Costa Rica): https://soltara.co/\

Other Resources:

• Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com

• Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption

Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com

Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION

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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!

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TIME STAMPS

00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of hosts Beth Syverson and Mee Ok Icaro.

00:02:00 - Preparing for Ayahuasca Retreat Discussion about the upcoming ayahuasca retreat in Costa Rica and the preparation process.

00:03:30 - Emotional Readiness and Expectations Beth and Mee Ok share their feelings of excitement and fear as they approach the retreat.

00:05:30 - Redefining Leadership in Healing Spaces Mee Ok discusses her perspective on leadership and the importance of humility in guiding others.

00:09:00 - The Role of Ego in Leadership Exploration of how ego affects leadership and the qualities of a good leader.

00:12:00 - Accountability in Healing Environments Mee Ok emphasizes the need for accountability and trust in the retreat setting.

00:15:00 - The Importance of Preparation and Integration Discussion on the significance of preparation and integration in the healing process.

00:20:00 - Challenges of Accessibility in Psychedelic Healing Conversation about the barriers to accessing psychedelic treatments for various demographics.

00:23:00 - Personal Healing Journeys Beth shares her experiences with ketamine treatment and the importance of integration.

00:27:00 - The Process of the Dieta Mee Ok explains the dieta, its restrictions, and its role in preparing for the ayahuasca experience.

00:32:00 - Transformative Effects of Disconnecting Beth discusses the impact of reducing phone and media usage during the dieta.

00:35:00 - Commitment to Healing Work Mee Ok talks about the commitment required for serious healing and the importance of discipline.

00:40:00 - The Role of Tobacco in Healing Mee Ok shares her personal journey with tobacco and its significance in the healing process.

00:45:00 - Building Relationships with Plants and Healers Discussion on the importance of relationships with plants and healers in the dieta process.

00:49:00 - Conclusion and Future Intentions Wrap-up of the conversation and reflections on the journey ahead.

Finding Empowerment through Sex Work as a Korean Adoptee with Kayla Tange

"I can be in my body, and in that moment, I feel safe." -- Kayla Tange

EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the privilege of speaking with Kayla Tange, a Korean adoptee raised by Japanese-American parents. She has navigated a unique and complex journey through life as an exotic dancer, performance artist, and sex worker. Kayla shared her adoption story, detailing her early life in an orphanage in Seoul before being adopted at six months old.

We explored how her experiences with ADHD and autism influenced her career choices and her desire for connection. Kayla candidly discussed her entry into the world of sex work, revealing how it provided her with a sense of empowerment and control over her body—something she felt was taken from her during her adoption.

Throughout our conversation, we touched on the themes of identity, belonging, and the emotional complexities that come with being an adoptee. Kayla's reflections on her work and the connections she forms with clients highlighted the often misunderstood aspects of sex work, challenging stereotypes and emphasizing the agency she feels in her choices.

Kayla also read a powerful piece from her contribution to the anthology Whorephobia, which delves into her experiences and emotions surrounding her adoption and her work. Her insights offered a profound understanding of the intersections between adoption, identity, and the search for belonging.

This episode is a deep dive into the complexities of adoption and the ways in which individuals navigate their identities and experiences. I encourage listeners to reflect on Kayla's story and the broader implications it has for understanding adoption and the diverse paths that adoptees may take.

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📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar

✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing

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RESOURCES:

Kayla's information:

• Email Kayla: [email protected]

• Check out Kayla's Website: kaylatange.com

• Follow Kayla on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kayla.tange/

• Watch Kayla's amazing short film Dear Mother: https://www.kaylatange.com/dear-mother

• Here's the anthology, Whorephobia, that includes Kayla's essay that she read on this episode: https://www.amazon.com/Whorephobia-Strippers-Art-Work-Life/dp/1644212277

Other Resources:

• APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption's Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude

• Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com

• Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption

Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com

Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION

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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!

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TIME STAMPS

00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and her son Joey.

00:00:34 - Today's Topic: Sexuality and Sex Work Discussion on the focus of the episode regarding sexuality and sex work.

00:00:56 - Introducing Kayla Tange Introduction of guest Kayla Tange, her background as a Korean adoptee, and her work in the sex industry.

00:01:52 - Kayla's Adoption Story Kayla shares her adoption story, including her age at adoption and her upbringing.

00:02:32 - Early Interest in Performance Discussion on Kayla's early interest in dance and performance.

00:03:20 - Career Path and ADHD Diagnosis Kayla talks about her career journey and the impact of her ADHD and autism diagnosis.

00:04:49 - Transition to Sex Work Kayla explains how she transitioned into sex work and dancing.

00:05:59 - Job Satisfaction and Flexibility Discussion on the benefits of working as a dancer compared to retail jobs.

00:06:33 - ADHD and the Nature of the Job Exploration of how the job suited Kayla's ADHD tendencies.

00:08:06 - Connecting with Customers Kayla discusses the importance of connecting with customers and building relationships.

00:09:06 - Adoption Trauma and Connection Exploration of the link between adoption trauma and Kayla's need for connection.

00:10:25 - Empowerment through Sex Work Kayla shares her perspective on feeling empowered through her work.

00:12:17 - Commodification of Bodies Discussion on the commodification of bodies in adoption and sex work.

00:13:24 - Feelings of Displacement Kayla reflects on feelings of displacement related to her adoption.

00:14:01 - Experiences in Korea Kayla shares her experiences and feelings during her trips to Korea.

00:15:11 - Creating the Film "Dear Mother" Discussion on the process and impact of creating her film.

00:16:28 - The Power of Performance Kayla talks about the liberating aspects of performing.

00:17:56 - Family Dynamics and Support Kayla reflects on her adoptive family's support and concerns regarding her career.

00:19:13 - Community and Support in the Industry Discussion on the supportive community within the sex work industry.

00:20:12 - Advice to Her Younger Self Kayla shares what she would tell her 12-year-old self.

00:21:45 - Advice for Parents Kayla offers advice to parents about supporting their children's interests.

00:23:49 - Reading from Whorephobia Kayla reads a powerful piece from the anthology Whorephobia.

00:37:04 - Closing Thoughts and Future Plans Discussion on Kayla's ongoing work and future plans, along with closing remarks from Beth.

"I thought I'll go to the embassy and I'll clear this up. Yeah, that I was adopted legally and I was US citizen." -- Mike Davis

READ THE TRANSCRIPT HERE: https://app.swellai.com/t/tp_01JB3BV6BMN0QQD1M7BWPZEVPK

EPISODE SUMMARY: In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the privilege of speaking with Mike Davis, an intercountry adoptee whose story sheds light on the often-overlooked complexities of adoption, particularly regarding citizenship issues. Mike was adopted from Ethiopia at the age of eight by an African-American single father and grew up in the U.S. However, in the mid-1990s, he discovered that he was not a U.S. citizen, despite his father's efforts to complete the necessary adoption paperwork.

In 2005, Mike was deported to Ethiopia, a country he barely remembered, where he faced immense challenges, including language barriers and a lack of support. He shared the harrowing details of his deportation, including being dropped off at the airport with only the clothes on his back and a small amount of money. Mike's story is a stark reminder of the potential pitfalls in the inter-country adoption process and the devastating impact it can have on families.

Throughout our conversation, Mike emphasized the ongoing struggles he faces, including the inability to access benefits he contributed to while working in the U.S. and the emotional toll on his family, including his wife and children, who have also suffered due to his deportation.

We were also joined by Maureen McCauley, an adoptive parent and advocate for Mike, who has been instrumental in raising awareness about his situation and has created a GoFundMe to assist with his legal and medical expenses. Together, we discussed the broader implications of Mike's story, including the urgent need for legislative change to protect the rights of all adoptees, particularly those who are at risk of deportation.

This episode serves as a call to action for listeners to educate themselves about the complexities of adoption and to advocate for the rights of adoptees. We encourage all Americans to support the Adoptee Citizenship Act and to reach out to their Congressional representatives to help ensure that no adoptee has to endure the hardships that Mike has faced. Thank you for joining us in this important conversation.

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📘Get our new book Adoption and Suicidality: amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL

📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar

✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing

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RESOURCES:

• Donate to Mike's GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-mike-davis-abebe-hailu-come-home-to-the-us
• Read the book that Maureen edited and that includes Mike's essay, Lions Roaring Far From Home: An Anthology by Ethiopian Adoptees: https://www.amazon.com/Lions-Roaring-Far-Home-Anthology/dp/B0BNTXTHRG
• Check out Maureen's blog, Light of Day Stories: https://lightofdaystories.com/

Other resources mentioned in this episode:

• Adoptees for Justice: https://www.adopteesforjustice.org/

• Adoptees United: https://adopteesunited.org/

• Adoptee Citizenship Act:

• https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/4448

• https://adopteerightslaw.com/congress-introduces-the-adoptee-citizenship-act-of-2024/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption

Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com

Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION

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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!

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TIME STAMPS:

00:00:00 - Welcome to Unraveling Adoption Introduction of host Beth Syverson and her mission.

00:01:00 - Complexities of Adoption Overview of today's focus on inter-country adoption issues.

00:02:00 - Meet Mike Davis Introduction of guest Mike Davis and his background.

00:03:40 - Deportation Experience Mike recounts his deportation to Ethiopia.

00:05:30 - First Days in Ethiopia Mike's initial struggles upon arrival in Ethiopia.

00:07:00 - Citizenship Realization Discovery that Mike was not a U.S. citizen.

00:09:00 - Adoption Paperwork Issues Discussion on the confusion surrounding Mike's adoption documents.

00:10:30 - Legal Challenges Mike shares his legal battles to prove citizenship.

00:12:00 - Family Impact The emotional toll on Mike's family due to his deportation.

00:14:00 - Criminal Charge Consequences Mike discusses the events leading to his criminal charge.

00:16:30 - Legal Representation Struggles Challenges in finding effective legal help.

00:18:00 - Support from Maureen Introduction of Maureen and her advocacy for Mike.

00:20:00 - Adoptee Citizenship Act Explanation of the legislative efforts for adoptee citizenship.

00:22:00 - Broader Adoptee Issues Impact on other adoptees facing similar challenges.

00:24:00 - Call to Action Encouragement for listeners to support the cause.

00:26:00 - Final Thoughts from Mike Mike's reflections on the injustices faced by adoptees.

00:32:00 - Conclusion and Resources Wrap-up and information on how to get involved.

"I can read a book and tell you if it's written by an adoptee, written by an adoptive parent or written by somebody who's just a famous author and someone told him to write about adoption and they know nothing about it." -- Allison Olson

EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the pleasure of speaking with Allison Olson, an adoptee and adoptive parent who has made significant contributions to children's literature on adoption. We explored her personal adoption story, which began in 1979 when she was adopted as a baby in a closed adoption, and how her experiences shaped her perspective as both an adoptee and a parent to an adopted child.

Allison shared her insights on the evolution of adoption practices, particularly the shift from closed to open adoptions, and the importance of representation in children's books. She expressed her frustration with the common narratives found in many adoption-themed picture books, which often portray adoptees as "lucky" rather than "loved." This inspired her to write her own books, including Surrounded by Love: An Open Adoption Story and Learning About My Friend's Adoption, aimed at educating children about adoption in a balanced and loving way.

We discussed the challenges adoptees face in educating their peers about their experiences and the need for more resources that accurately reflect the complexities of adoption. Allison emphasized the importance of normalizing conversations about adoption and providing children with the tools to understand and embrace their identities.

Listeners will find Allison's work invaluable, as it not only addresses the needs of adopted children but also serves as a resource for their friends and families. I encourage everyone to check out her books and share this episode to help spread awareness about the importance of thoughtful representation in children's literature.

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RESOURCES:

Allison's information:

• Check out Allison's website for her own books plus her lists of children's books: OurAdoptionBooks.com

• Find Allison's books on Amazon:

• Surrounded by Love: An Open Adoption Story on Amazon

• Learning about My Friend's Adoption on Amazon

• Allison's book lists:

• "An Adoptee's Top 14 Children's Adoption Books": https://www.ouradoptionbooks.com/blogs/adoptee-top-kids-book-picks

• "Children's Adoption Books Written by Adoptees": https://www.ouradoptionbooks.com/blogs/adoptee-written-kids-book

• Find Allison on Social Media:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kidsbooksbyallisonolson/

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KidsBooksbyAllisonOlson

• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kidsbooksbyallisonolson

Other Resources:

• Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com

• Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption

Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com

Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION

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TIME STAMPS:

00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and guest Allison Olson.

00:01:00 - Allison's Adoption Story Allison shares her personal adoption journey and her experiences as both an adoptee and an adoptive parent.

00:03:00 - Closed vs. Open Adoption Discussion on the differences between closed and open adoptions, including definitions and implications.

00:07:00 - The Impact of Openness in Adoption Allison reflects on the benefits of open adoption and her experiences with her daughter's adoption.

00:10:00 - Challenges in Children's Adoption Books Allison discusses her experiences with children's picture books about adoption and the messages they convey.

00:14:00 - The Need for Balanced Representation Exploration of the importance of balanced narratives in adoption literature, highlighting both love and struggle.

00:17:00 - Creating Surrounded by Love Allison explains her motivation for writing her first book and the intentional choices made in its creation.

00:20:00 - Learning About My Friend's Adoption Introduction to Allison's second book aimed at educating non-adopted children about adoption.

00:24:00 - The Responsibility of Educating Others Discussion on the burden adoptees face in educating their peers and the importance of literature in this process.

00:28:00 - Resources and Closing Thoughts Allison shares her website and resources for finding adoption-related books.

"I'm telling all the skeptics who may be listening, just go in there with an open mind because you're not going to lose anything. You have so much more to gain." - Jonathan Moon

EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the privilege of speaking with Jonathan Moon, an adopted person who has navigated the complexities of relinquishment and adoption trauma. Jonathan's journey began in Korea, where he faced significant challenges as a child, including living on the streets and experiencing significant instability. He was adopted to the U.S. at the age of nine and has recently embarked on a path of healing and self-discovery.

Jonathan shared his unique story, including his reunion with his grandmother through a Korean TV show and the emotional complexities surrounding his birth family. He discussed the struggles he faced growing up, including the impact of his father's alcoholism and abuse, and how these experiences shaped his identity.

Throughout our conversation, Jonathan emphasized the importance of community and connection among adoptees, highlighting how sharing similar experiences can foster understanding and healing. He also opened up about his journey toward healing, which has included acting classes, therapy, and alternative healing practices like myofascial release and ketamine therapy.

Jonathan's story is a testament to resilience and the ongoing process of healing from trauma. He is currently working on an artistic film titled Voice of Waters, which aims to share his experiences and insights with a broader audience. I encourage listeners to check out his website and support his work.

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📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar

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RESOURCES:

Jonathan's information:

• Find out about Jonathan's upcoming film, Voice of Waters, and sign up for his website here: https://www.voiceofwatersfilm.com/

Other Resource Mentioned in the episode:

• The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk M.D.: https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748
• Miofascial release: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myofascial_release
• Ketamine therapy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

Other Resources:

• APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption's Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude

• Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com

• Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption

Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com

Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION

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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!

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TIME STAMPS:

00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and guest Jonathan Moon.

00:01:14 - Meeting at Untangling Our Roots Discussion about the adoption conference where Beth and Jonathan met.

00:02:51 - Jonathan's Early Life Jonathan shares his background, including his birth parents and early memories.

00:05:48 - Life with His Grandmother Description of Jonathan's childhood living with his maternal grandmother.

00:08:00 - Transition to Living with His Father Jonathan recounts the move to live with his birth father and half-brothers.

00:09:20 - Challenges at His Father's Home Jonathan discusses the difficulties he faced living with his father and brothers.

00:12:52 - Living on the Streets Jonathan shares his experiences of running away and living on the streets.

00:15:04 - Adoption Process Jonathan describes how he was adopted to the U.S. and his initial thoughts.

00:18:34 - First Days in America Jonathan reflects on his arrival in the U.S. and the adjustment to his new life.

00:20:34 - Family Dynamics Discussion about Jonathan's adoptive family and his place within it.

00:22:05 - Struggles with Trauma Jonathan opens up about the impact of his past traumas on his life.

00:23:24 - Military Experience Jonathan talks about his time in the military and coping mechanisms.

00:24:18 - Reunion with Birth Family Jonathan shares the story of his reunion with his grandmother and birth mother.

00:27:33 - Confronting His Birth Father Discussion about Jonathan's decision to not reunite with his birth father.

00:28:55 - Journey to Healing Jonathan discusses his healing journey and the steps he has taken.

00:29:24 - Acting and Self-Discovery How acting classes helped Jonathan confront his trauma.

00:31:20 - Therapy and Healing Modalities Jonathan shares his experiences with therapy and alternative healing methods.

00:33:22 - Myofascial Release Therapy Description of myofascial therapy and its impact on Jonathan's healing.

00:35:16 - Ketamine Therapy Jonathan discusses his experiences with ketamine therapy and its transformative effects.

00:37:43 - Profound Experiences with Ketamine Jonathan recounts a significant session where he felt a deep connection with his family.

00:40:31 - Exploring Other Healing Practices Jonathan talks about trying Reiki and other energy work.

00:41:34 - Creating Voice of Waters Discussion about Jonathan's film project and its significance in his healing journey.

00:42:42 - Closing Thoughts and Resources Beth encourages listeners to explore Jonathan's work and upcoming events related to adoption.

"I think my mom does a great job addressing this in the book, but open adoption is not without its challenges." - Belle Sexton

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the honor of speaking with Linda R. Sexton, an adoptive mom and author, and her 25-year-old daughter, Belle. This marks our first mother-daughter duo on the podcast, offering a unique perspective on open adoption.

Linda R. Sexton is an author, speaker and blogger. She is an adoptive mom of two children, both in open arrangements, and is the author of the award-winning book, The Branches We Cherish: An Open Adoption Memoir. The story is told with frank honesty about the grief and joys of open adoption. Linda includes the voices of all four birth parents, birth grandmothers and her adopted children. She has seen first hand how an adopted child can benefit greatly by knowing and connecting with birth parents and other members of their biological family. Visit her website lindarsexton.com to learn more.

In our episode, Belle shared her adoption story, highlighting her early life in Texas and the open adoption plan created by her young birth parents. She emphasized the importance of knowing her birth family, which helped her navigate her identity as an adoptee. Linda reflected on the emotional journey of waiting for Belle's birth and the profound moment when Belle's birth mother handed her over in a hospital ceremony.

We discussed the complexities of open adoption, including Belle's feelings of adoptee's guilt and the importance of maintaining connections with birth families. Both emphasized that while open adoption can be challenging, it is a better option when compared to closed adoptions.

For those of you who enjoyed this podcast and wish to know more, The Branches We Cherish: An Open Adoption Memoir is available on Amazon or can be purchased from your favorite bookseller. There are several families involved in the story and most of the names have been changed to protect privacy. (Since you now know Belle, she is Sofie in the book.)

This episode beautifully illustrates the complexities and joys of adoption, and I hope it resonates with those on similar journeys.

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✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing

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RESOURCES:

Linda & Belle's information:

• Pick up Linda's book The Branches We Cherish: An Open Adoption Memoir: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+branches+we+cherish+linda+sexton&crid=3UANIFD0F97FF&sprefix=the+branches+we+%25

• Or pick it up at an independent bookstore if you prefer: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-branches-we-cherish-an-open-adoption-memoir-linda-r-sexton/20200003

• Explore Linda's website: https://www.lindarsexton.com/

• If you want to reach Belle, email Linda through her website, and she will get your message to Belle

Other Resources:

• APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption's Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude

• Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com

• Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption

Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com

Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION

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TIME STAMPS

00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of hosts and guests.

00:01:26 - Belle's Adoption Story Belle shares her background and experiences with her birth parents.

00:03:15 - Terminology in Adoption Discussion on the vocabulary used to describe adoptive and birth parents.

00:04:16 - Linda's Perspective on the Adoption Process Linda reflects on the emotional journey of adopting Belle.

00:06:06 - The Ceremony of Relinquishment Linda describes the emotional moment of receiving Belle from her birth mother.

00:08:09 - Memories and Keepsakes Belle shares about the memorabilia from her birth family.

00:10:12 - Challenges in Open Adoption Discussion on the complexities and challenges faced in open adoption.

00:12:25 - Understanding Birth Parents' Choices Belle reflects on her birth parents' decision-making process.

00:15:46 - Adoptee's Guilt Belle discusses feelings of guilt and the impact of her adoption experience.

00:19:03 - Navigating Relationships with Birth Parents Belle talks about her relationship dynamics with her birth parents.

00:20:52 - The Impact of Writing the Memoir Linda and Belle discuss the process and effects of writing the memoir together.

00:26:02 - Final Thoughts on Open Adoption Belle and Linda share their concluding thoughts on the benefits and challenges of open adoption.

00:28:49 - Connecting with the Audience Linda provides information on how to reach her and access her resources.

"The way that fascism triumphs is if everyone goes silent and becomes quiescent." - Mark H.

EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I, Beth Syverson, welcome Mark, a transracial adoptee from Korea and a passionate advocate for adoption-related issues. Together, we delve into the often-overlooked intersection of politics and adoption, particularly in the context of the upcoming U.S. presidential election.

As an adoptive mom of a 20-year-old son, Joey, who is navigating his own path, I feel a deep responsibility to address the complexities surrounding adoption and how they relate to broader societal issues. This election is particularly significant, as it touches on critical topics such as racial justice, women's reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and the preservation of our democratic systems. With Joey preparing to vote for the first time, I am acutely aware of the stakes involved and the long-term impact our choices will have on future generations.

Mark shares his unique perspective as a transracial adoptee and a gay man, highlighting the challenges he faced growing up in a predominantly white environment. He reflects on the societal norms of his youth, where discussing politics was often taboo, and emphasizes the importance of speaking out in today's climate. Mark articulates the existential nature of this election, particularly for marginalized communities, and the need for individuals to engage in political discourse.

Throughout our conversation, we explore the implications of having a woman of color, Kamala Harris, as a presidential candidate. While Mark expresses excitement about her candidacy, he also addresses the racism and misogyny she faces, which resonates deeply with his own experiences of being "other"ed. We discuss how the political landscape has shifted, particularly within the Republican Party, and the urgent need for individuals to recognize and confront systemic racism.

Mark and I emphasize the importance of activism, not just in the traditional sense of protests and demonstrations, but in everyday conversations with friends, family, and neighbors. We encourage listeners to engage with those around them, especially in swing states, to ensure that their voices are heard and that they participate in the electoral process.

As we wrap up the episode, I invite listeners to reflect on their own roles in advocating for change and to consider how their political choices impact the lives of those in the adoption community and beyond. We urge everyone to vote, to educate themselves, and to have open discussions about the critical issues at stake in this election.

This episode serves as a call to action for all of us to be brave, to stand up for what we believe in, and to work towards a more equitable society for everyone, especially those affected by adoption. Thank you for joining us in this important conversation.

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📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar

✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing

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RESOURCES:

If you'd like to connect with Mark H., send him an email through me at [email protected]. He's staying anonymous in this episode in order to not jeopardize his job.

Respond to this episode on Unraveling Adoption's page on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, or LinkedIn.

Other resource mentioned in this episode:

• White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin J. DiAngelo: https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism-ebook/dp/B07638ZFN1

Other Resources:

• APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption's Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude

• Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com

• Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/

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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson

Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao

Email questions or comments to [email protected]

Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube

Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption

Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com

Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION

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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!

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TIME STAMPS

00:01:00 - The Importance of Voting Beth discusses the significance of the upcoming presidential election and its impact on adoption-related issues.

00:02:30 - Introducing Mark Mark, a transracial adoptee, joins the conversation to discuss the intersection of politics and adoption.

00:03:00 - Mark's Background and Perspective Mark shares his experiences as a transracial adoptee and the importance of speaking out in the current political climate.

00:06:00 - The Fog of Whiteness Mark discusses the challenges of growing up in a predominantly white environment and the implications for transracial adoptees.

00:08:30 - Representation in Politics Mark expresses his feelings about having a woman of color as a presidential candidate and the challenges she faces.

00:10:30 - Racism and Misogyny in Politics Discussion on the racism and misogyny directed at Kamala Harris and its impact on marginalized communities.

00:12:30 - Understanding Systemic Racism Mark explains the difference between individual acts of racism and systemic racism in society.

00:14:30 - The Role of White Allies The importance of white individuals engaging with and understanding issues of race and privilege.

00:16:00 - The Stakes of the Election Mark emphasizes the critical nature of the upcoming election and the need for active participation.

00:18:00 - Mobilizing for Change Discussion on the responsibility of individuals to educate and mobilize others in their communities.

00:20:00 - The Importance of Conversations Mark highlights the power of personal conversations in advocating for change and understanding.

00:22:00 - Adoption and Political Interests Exploration of how adoption intersects with political issues, particularly for families of color.

00:24:00 - Activism in Everyday Life Mark discusses how activism can take many forms, including simple conversations with friends and family.

00:26:00 - The Power of Individual Votes The significance of each vote in local and national elections and the moral obligation to participate.

00:28:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action Beth and Mark encourage listeners to engage in the political process and advocate for marginalized communities.