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"The plants are always turning everything upside down because our culture is upside down." -- Mee Ok Icaro
EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I, Beth Syverson, welcome back Mee Ok Icaro, a previous guest who has shared her profound insights on adoption and healing through plant medicine. This episode is particularly special as we recorded as we prepared for an ayahuasca retreat in Costa Rica, where I participated in my first ceremony under Mee Ok’s guidance.
We begin by discussing our feelings as the retreat approaches. I express my excitement mixed with a hint of fear, acknowledging that this experience is far outside my comfort zone. Mee Ok shares her own anticipation and the unique challenges of leading a retreat for the first time, emphasizing the importance of focusing on personal healing rather than taking on the burdens of others.
Mee Ok elaborates on the concept of leadership in the context of plant medicine, contrasting it with traditional views. She explains that true leadership often involves humility and a willingness to learn from others, rather than a desire for power or control. This perspective shifts the narrative around what it means to guide others in their healing journeys.
As we delve deeper into the preparations for the retreat, we discuss the rigorous dieta we have both been following. This dieta involves strict dietary and behavioral restrictions designed to prepare our bodies and minds for the transformative experience ahead. I share my struggles with giving up my phone and certain foods items and the impact of reducing external stimuli on my mental clarity and emotional well-being.
Mee Ok and I also touch on the broader implications of accessibility to plant medicine, particularly for marginalized communities. We discuss the challenges faced by individuals from lower-income backgrounds in accessing these healing modalities and the need for a more equitable approach as psychedelics become more mainstream.
Throughout the episode, we reflect on the importance of integration and preparation in the healing process. I share my personal journey with ketamine treatment and how it has helped me move away from antidepressants, highlighting the significance of active engagement in one's healing journey rather than passively relying on substances.
As we conclude, we express our excitement for the upcoming retreat and the potential for profound transformation. We plan to record a follow-up episode after the retreat to share our experiences and insights gained during this journey.
Join us as we explore the complexities of adoption, healing, and the transformative power of plant medicine in this thought-provoking episode.
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📘Get our new book Adoption and Suicidality: amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL
📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar
✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
💌Sign up for our Unraveling Adoption email list: http://eepurl.com/hVIAVX
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RESOURCES:
Mee Ok’s information:
Connect with Mee Ok through her website: https://holdingcompassionate.space/
Hear Mee Ok’s previous Unraveling Adoption podcast episode, “Ayahuasca for Transforming Trauma and Pain with Mee Ok Icaro”: https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/28697873
Hear Mee Ok and Leslie Pate Mackinnon’s previous Unraveling Adoption podcast episode ”Insights from Plant Medicine for the Adoption Constellation with Mee Ok Icaro and Leslie Pate Mackinnon”: https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/31869557
Register for Mee Ok’s next Adoptee-Only Medicine Circle here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/medicine-circles-for-adoptees-with-mee-ok-icaro-tickets-1011041370957
Other resources mentioned in this episode:
Soltara Healing Center (Costa Rica): https://soltara.co/\
Other Resources:
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!
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TIME STAMPS
00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of hosts Beth Syverson and Mee Ok Icaro.
00:02:00 - Preparing for Ayahuasca Retreat Discussion about the upcoming ayahuasca retreat in Costa Rica and the preparation process.
00:03:30 - Emotional Readiness and Expectations Beth and Mee Ok share their feelings of excitement and fear as they approach the retreat.
00:05:30 - Redefining Leadership in Healing Spaces Mee Ok discusses her perspective on leadership and the importance of humility in guiding others.
00:09:00 - The Role of Ego in Leadership Exploration of how ego affects leadership and the qualities of a good leader.
00:12:00 - Accountability in Healing Environments Mee Ok emphasizes the need for accountability and trust in the retreat setting.
00:15:00 - The Importance of Preparation and Integration Discussion on the significance of preparation and integration in the healing process.
00:20:00 - Challenges of Accessibility in Psychedelic Healing Conversation about the barriers to accessing psychedelic treatments for various demographics.
00:23:00 - Personal Healing Journeys Beth shares her experiences with ketamine treatment and the importance of integration.
00:27:00 - The Process of the Dieta Mee Ok explains the dieta, its restrictions, and its role in preparing for the ayahuasca experience.
00:32:00 - Transformative Effects of Disconnecting Beth discusses the impact of reducing phone and media usage during the dieta.
00:35:00 - Commitment to Healing Work Mee Ok talks about the commitment required for serious healing and the importance of discipline.
00:40:00 - The Role of Tobacco in Healing Mee Ok shares her personal journey with tobacco and its significance in the healing process.
00:45:00 - Building Relationships with Plants and Healers Discussion on the importance of relationships with plants and healers in the dieta process.
00:49:00 - Conclusion and Future Intentions Wrap-up of the conversation and reflections on the journey ahead.
Finding Empowerment through Sex Work as a Korean Adoptee with Kayla Tange
"I can be in my body, and in that moment, I feel safe." -- Kayla Tange
EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the privilege of speaking with Kayla Tange, a Korean adoptee raised by Japanese-American parents. She has navigated a unique and complex journey through life as an exotic dancer, performance artist, and sex worker. Kayla shared her adoption story, detailing her early life in an orphanage in Seoul before being adopted at six months old.
We explored how her experiences with ADHD and autism influenced her career choices and her desire for connection. Kayla candidly discussed her entry into the world of sex work, revealing how it provided her with a sense of empowerment and control over her body—something she felt was taken from her during her adoption.
Throughout our conversation, we touched on the themes of identity, belonging, and the emotional complexities that come with being an adoptee. Kayla's reflections on her work and the connections she forms with clients highlighted the often misunderstood aspects of sex work, challenging stereotypes and emphasizing the agency she feels in her choices.
Kayla also read a powerful piece from her contribution to the anthology Whorephobia, which delves into her experiences and emotions surrounding her adoption and her work. Her insights offered a profound understanding of the intersections between adoption, identity, and the search for belonging.
This episode is a deep dive into the complexities of adoption and the ways in which individuals navigate their identities and experiences. I encourage listeners to reflect on Kayla's story and the broader implications it has for understanding adoption and the diverse paths that adoptees may take.
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📘Get our new book Adoption and Suicidality: amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL
📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar
✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
💌Sign up for our Unraveling Adoption email list: http://eepurl.com/hVIAVX
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RESOURCES:
Kayla’s information:
Email Kayla: [email protected]
Check out Kayla’s Website: kaylatange.com
Follow Kayla on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kayla.tange/
Watch Kayla’s amazing short film Dear Mother: https://www.kaylatange.com/dear-mother
Here’s the anthology, Whorephobia, that includes Kayla’s essay that she read on this episode: https://www.amazon.com/Whorephobia-Strippers-Art-Work-Life/dp/1644212277
Other Resources:
APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption’s Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!
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TIME STAMPS
00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and her son Joey.
00:00:34 - Today's Topic: Sexuality and Sex Work Discussion on the focus of the episode regarding sexuality and sex work.
00:00:56 - Introducing Kayla Tange Introduction of guest Kayla Tange, her background as a Korean adoptee, and her work in the sex industry.
00:01:52 - Kayla's Adoption Story Kayla shares her adoption story, including her age at adoption and her upbringing.
00:02:32 - Early Interest in Performance Discussion on Kayla's early interest in dance and performance.
00:03:20 - Career Path and ADHD Diagnosis Kayla talks about her career journey and the impact of her ADHD and autism diagnosis.
00:04:49 - Transition to Sex Work Kayla explains how she transitioned into sex work and dancing.
00:05:59 - Job Satisfaction and Flexibility Discussion on the benefits of working as a dancer compared to retail jobs.
00:06:33 - ADHD and the Nature of the Job Exploration of how the job suited Kayla's ADHD tendencies.
00:08:06 - Connecting with Customers Kayla discusses the importance of connecting with customers and building relationships.
00:09:06 - Adoption Trauma and Connection Exploration of the link between adoption trauma and Kayla's need for connection.
00:10:25 - Empowerment through Sex Work Kayla shares her perspective on feeling empowered through her work.
00:12:17 - Commodification of Bodies Discussion on the commodification of bodies in adoption and sex work.
00:13:24 - Feelings of Displacement Kayla reflects on feelings of displacement related to her adoption.
00:14:01 - Experiences in Korea Kayla shares her experiences and feelings during her trips to Korea.
00:15:11 - Creating the Film "Dear Mother" Discussion on the process and impact of creating her film.
00:16:28 - The Power of Performance Kayla talks about the liberating aspects of performing.
00:17:56 - Family Dynamics and Support Kayla reflects on her adoptive family's support and concerns regarding her career.
00:19:13 - Community and Support in the Industry Discussion on the supportive community within the sex work industry.
00:20:12 - Advice to Her Younger Self Kayla shares what she would tell her 12-year-old self.
00:21:45 - Advice for Parents Kayla offers advice to parents about supporting their children's interests.
00:23:49 - Reading from Whorephobia Kayla reads a powerful piece from the anthology Whorephobia.
00:37:04 - Closing Thoughts and Future Plans Discussion on Kayla's ongoing work and future plans, along with closing remarks from Beth.
"I thought I'll go to the embassy and I'll clear this up. Yeah, that I was adopted legally and I was US citizen." -- Mike Davis
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EPISODE SUMMARY: In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the privilege of speaking with Mike Davis, an intercountry adoptee whose story sheds light on the often-overlooked complexities of adoption, particularly regarding citizenship issues. Mike was adopted from Ethiopia at the age of eight by an African-American single father and grew up in the U.S. However, in the mid-1990s, he discovered that he was not a U.S. citizen, despite his father's efforts to complete the necessary adoption paperwork.
In 2005, Mike was deported to Ethiopia, a country he barely remembered, where he faced immense challenges, including language barriers and a lack of support. He shared the harrowing details of his deportation, including being dropped off at the airport with only the clothes on his back and a small amount of money. Mike's story is a stark reminder of the potential pitfalls in the inter-country adoption process and the devastating impact it can have on families.
Throughout our conversation, Mike emphasized the ongoing struggles he faces, including the inability to access benefits he contributed to while working in the U.S. and the emotional toll on his family, including his wife and children, who have also suffered due to his deportation.
We were also joined by Maureen McCauley, an adoptive parent and advocate for Mike, who has been instrumental in raising awareness about his situation and has created a GoFundMe to assist with his legal and medical expenses. Together, we discussed the broader implications of Mike's story, including the urgent need for legislative change to protect the rights of all adoptees, particularly those who are at risk of deportation.
This episode serves as a call to action for listeners to educate themselves about the complexities of adoption and to advocate for the rights of adoptees. We encourage all Americans to support the Adoptee Citizenship Act and to reach out to their Congressional representatives to help ensure that no adoptee has to endure the hardships that Mike has faced. Thank you for joining us in this important conversation.
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📘Get our new book Adoption and Suicidality: amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL
📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar
✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
💌Sign up for our Unraveling Adoption email list: http://eepurl.com/hVIAVX
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RESOURCES:
Other resources mentioned in this episode:
Adoptees for Justice: https://www.adopteesforjustice.org/
Adoptees United: https://adopteesunited.org/
Adoptee Citizenship Act:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/4448
https://adopteerightslaw.com/congress-introduces-the-adoptee-citizenship-act-of-2024/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00:00 - Welcome to Unraveling Adoption Introduction of host Beth Syverson and her mission.
00:01:00 - Complexities of Adoption Overview of today's focus on inter-country adoption issues.
00:02:00 - Meet Mike Davis Introduction of guest Mike Davis and his background.
00:03:40 - Deportation Experience Mike recounts his deportation to Ethiopia.
00:05:30 - First Days in Ethiopia Mike's initial struggles upon arrival in Ethiopia.
00:07:00 - Citizenship Realization Discovery that Mike was not a U.S. citizen.
00:09:00 - Adoption Paperwork Issues Discussion on the confusion surrounding Mike's adoption documents.
00:10:30 - Legal Challenges Mike shares his legal battles to prove citizenship.
00:12:00 - Family Impact The emotional toll on Mike's family due to his deportation.
00:14:00 - Criminal Charge Consequences Mike discusses the events leading to his criminal charge.
00:16:30 - Legal Representation Struggles Challenges in finding effective legal help.
00:18:00 - Support from Maureen Introduction of Maureen and her advocacy for Mike.
00:20:00 - Adoptee Citizenship Act Explanation of the legislative efforts for adoptee citizenship.
00:22:00 - Broader Adoptee Issues Impact on other adoptees facing similar challenges.
00:24:00 - Call to Action Encouragement for listeners to support the cause.
00:26:00 - Final Thoughts from Mike Mike's reflections on the injustices faced by adoptees.
00:32:00 - Conclusion and Resources Wrap-up and information on how to get involved.
"I can read a book and tell you if it's written by an adoptee, written by an adoptive parent or written by somebody who's just a famous author and someone told him to write about adoption and they know nothing about it." -- Allison Olson
EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the pleasure of speaking with Allison Olson, an adoptee and adoptive parent who has made significant contributions to children's literature on adoption. We explored her personal adoption story, which began in 1979 when she was adopted as a baby in a closed adoption, and how her experiences shaped her perspective as both an adoptee and a parent to an adopted child.
Allison shared her insights on the evolution of adoption practices, particularly the shift from closed to open adoptions, and the importance of representation in children's books. She expressed her frustration with the common narratives found in many adoption-themed picture books, which often portray adoptees as "lucky" rather than "loved." This inspired her to write her own books, including Surrounded by Love: An Open Adoption Story and Learning About My Friend's Adoption, aimed at educating children about adoption in a balanced and loving way.
We discussed the challenges adoptees face in educating their peers about their experiences and the need for more resources that accurately reflect the complexities of adoption. Allison emphasized the importance of normalizing conversations about adoption and providing children with the tools to understand and embrace their identities.
Listeners will find Allison's work invaluable, as it not only addresses the needs of adopted children but also serves as a resource for their friends and families. I encourage everyone to check out her books and share this episode to help spread awareness about the importance of thoughtful representation in children's literature.
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📘Get our new book Adoption and Suicidality: amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL
📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar
✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
💌Sign up for our Unraveling Adoption email list: http://eepurl.com/hVIAVX
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RESOURCES:
Allison’s information:
Check out Allison’s website for her own books plus her lists of children’s books: OurAdoptionBooks.com
Find Allison’s books on Amazon:
Surrounded by Love: An Open Adoption Story on Amazon
Learning about My Friend's Adoption on Amazon
Allison’s book lists:
“An Adoptee’s Top 14 Children’s Adoption Books”: https://www.ouradoptionbooks.com/blogs/adoptee-top-kids-book-picks
“Children’s Adoption Books Written by Adoptees”: https://www.ouradoptionbooks.com/blogs/adoptee-written-kids-book
Find Allison on Social Media:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kidsbooksbyallisonolson/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KidsBooksbyAllisonOlson
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kidsbooksbyallisonolson
Other Resources:
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
===============
Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and guest Allison Olson.
00:01:00 - Allison's Adoption Story Allison shares her personal adoption journey and her experiences as both an adoptee and an adoptive parent.
00:03:00 - Closed vs. Open Adoption Discussion on the differences between closed and open adoptions, including definitions and implications.
00:07:00 - The Impact of Openness in Adoption Allison reflects on the benefits of open adoption and her experiences with her daughter's adoption.
00:10:00 - Challenges in Children's Adoption Books Allison discusses her experiences with children's picture books about adoption and the messages they convey.
00:14:00 - The Need for Balanced Representation Exploration of the importance of balanced narratives in adoption literature, highlighting both love and struggle.
00:17:00 - Creating Surrounded by Love Allison explains her motivation for writing her first book and the intentional choices made in its creation.
00:20:00 - Learning About My Friend's Adoption Introduction to Allison's second book aimed at educating non-adopted children about adoption.
00:24:00 - The Responsibility of Educating Others Discussion on the burden adoptees face in educating their peers and the importance of literature in this process.
00:28:00 - Resources and Closing Thoughts Allison shares her website and resources for finding adoption-related books.
“I'm telling all the skeptics who may be listening, just go in there with an open mind because you're not going to lose anything. You have so much more to gain.” - Jonathan Moon
EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the privilege of speaking with Jonathan Moon, an adopted person who has navigated the complexities of relinquishment and adoption trauma. Jonathan's journey began in Korea, where he faced significant challenges as a child, including living on the streets and experiencing significant instability. He was adopted to the U.S. at the age of nine and has recently embarked on a path of healing and self-discovery.
Jonathan shared his unique story, including his reunion with his grandmother through a Korean TV show and the emotional complexities surrounding his birth family. He discussed the struggles he faced growing up, including the impact of his father's alcoholism and abuse, and how these experiences shaped his identity.
Throughout our conversation, Jonathan emphasized the importance of community and connection among adoptees, highlighting how sharing similar experiences can foster understanding and healing. He also opened up about his journey toward healing, which has included acting classes, therapy, and alternative healing practices like myofascial release and ketamine therapy.
Jonathan's story is a testament to resilience and the ongoing process of healing from trauma. He is currently working on an artistic film titled Voice of Waters, which aims to share his experiences and insights with a broader audience. I encourage listeners to check out his website and support his work.
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📘Get our new book Adoption and Suicidality: amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL
📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar
✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
💌Sign up for our Unraveling Adoption email list: http://eepurl.com/hVIAVX
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RESOURCES:
Jonathan’s information:
Other Resource Mentioned in the episode:
Other Resources:
APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption’s Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
===============
Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
===============
Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and guest Jonathan Moon.
00:01:14 - Meeting at Untangling Our Roots Discussion about the adoption conference where Beth and Jonathan met.
00:02:51 - Jonathan's Early Life Jonathan shares his background, including his birth parents and early memories.
00:05:48 - Life with His Grandmother Description of Jonathan's childhood living with his maternal grandmother.
00:08:00 - Transition to Living with His Father Jonathan recounts the move to live with his birth father and half-brothers.
00:09:20 - Challenges at His Father's Home Jonathan discusses the difficulties he faced living with his father and brothers.
00:12:52 - Living on the Streets Jonathan shares his experiences of running away and living on the streets.
00:15:04 - Adoption Process Jonathan describes how he was adopted to the U.S. and his initial thoughts.
00:18:34 - First Days in America Jonathan reflects on his arrival in the U.S. and the adjustment to his new life.
00:20:34 - Family Dynamics Discussion about Jonathan's adoptive family and his place within it.
00:22:05 - Struggles with Trauma Jonathan opens up about the impact of his past traumas on his life.
00:23:24 - Military Experience Jonathan talks about his time in the military and coping mechanisms.
00:24:18 - Reunion with Birth Family Jonathan shares the story of his reunion with his grandmother and birth mother.
00:27:33 - Confronting His Birth Father Discussion about Jonathan's decision to not reunite with his birth father.
00:28:55 - Journey to Healing Jonathan discusses his healing journey and the steps he has taken.
00:29:24 - Acting and Self-Discovery How acting classes helped Jonathan confront his trauma.
00:31:20 - Therapy and Healing Modalities Jonathan shares his experiences with therapy and alternative healing methods.
00:33:22 - Myofascial Release Therapy Description of myofascial therapy and its impact on Jonathan's healing.
00:35:16 - Ketamine Therapy Jonathan discusses his experiences with ketamine therapy and its transformative effects.
00:37:43 - Profound Experiences with Ketamine Jonathan recounts a significant session where he felt a deep connection with his family.
00:40:31 - Exploring Other Healing Practices Jonathan talks about trying Reiki and other energy work.
00:41:34 - Creating Voice of Waters Discussion about Jonathan's film project and its significance in his healing journey.
00:42:42 - Closing Thoughts and Resources Beth encourages listeners to explore Jonathan's work and upcoming events related to adoption.
"I think my mom does a great job addressing this in the book, but open adoption is not without its challenges." - Belle Sexton
Episode Summary:In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the honor of speaking with Linda R. Sexton, an adoptive mom and author, and her 25-year-old daughter, Belle. This marks our first mother-daughter duo on the podcast, offering a unique perspective on open adoption.
Linda R. Sexton is an author, speaker and blogger. She is an adoptive mom of two children, both in open arrangements, and is the author of the award-winning book, The Branches We Cherish: An Open Adoption Memoir. The story is told with frank honesty about the grief and joys of open adoption. Linda includes the voices of all four birth parents, birth grandmothers and her adopted children. She has seen first hand how an adopted child can benefit greatly by knowing and connecting with birth parents and other members of their biological family. Visit her website lindarsexton.com to learn more.
In our episode, Belle shared her adoption story, highlighting her early life in Texas and the open adoption plan created by her young birth parents. She emphasized the importance of knowing her birth family, which helped her navigate her identity as an adoptee. Linda reflected on the emotional journey of waiting for Belle's birth and the profound moment when Belle's birth mother handed her over in a hospital ceremony.
We discussed the complexities of open adoption, including Belle's feelings of adoptee's guilt and the importance of maintaining connections with birth families. Both emphasized that while open adoption can be challenging, it is a better option when compared to closed adoptions.
For those of you who enjoyed this podcast and wish to know more, The Branches We Cherish: An Open Adoption Memoir is available on Amazon or can be purchased from your favorite bookseller. There are several families involved in the story and most of the names have been changed to protect privacy. (Since you now know Belle, she is Sofie in the book.)
This episode beautifully illustrates the complexities and joys of adoption, and I hope it resonates with those on similar journeys.
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📘Get our new book Adoption and Suicidality: amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL
📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar
✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
💌Sign up for our Unraveling Adoption email list: http://eepurl.com/hVIAVX
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RESOURCES:
Linda & Belle’s information:
Pick up Linda’s book The Branches We Cherish: An Open Adoption Memoir: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+branches+we+cherish+linda+sexton&crid=3UANIFD0F97FF&sprefix=the+branches+we+%25
Explore Linda’s website: https://www.lindarsexton.com/
If you want to reach Belle, email Linda through her website, and she will get your message to Belle
Other Resources:
APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption’s Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
===============
Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
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TIME STAMPS
00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of hosts and guests.
00:01:26 - Belle's Adoption Story Belle shares her background and experiences with her birth parents.
00:03:15 - Terminology in Adoption Discussion on the vocabulary used to describe adoptive and birth parents.
00:04:16 - Linda's Perspective on the Adoption Process Linda reflects on the emotional journey of adopting Belle.
00:06:06 - The Ceremony of Relinquishment Linda describes the emotional moment of receiving Belle from her birth mother.
00:08:09 - Memories and Keepsakes Belle shares about the memorabilia from her birth family.
00:10:12 - Challenges in Open Adoption Discussion on the complexities and challenges faced in open adoption.
00:12:25 - Understanding Birth Parents' Choices Belle reflects on her birth parents' decision-making process.
00:15:46 - Adoptee's Guilt Belle discusses feelings of guilt and the impact of her adoption experience.
00:19:03 - Navigating Relationships with Birth Parents Belle talks about her relationship dynamics with her birth parents.
00:20:52 - The Impact of Writing the Memoir Linda and Belle discuss the process and effects of writing the memoir together.
00:26:02 - Final Thoughts on Open Adoption Belle and Linda share their concluding thoughts on the benefits and challenges of open adoption.
00:28:49 - Connecting with the Audience Linda provides information on how to reach her and access her resources.
"The way that fascism triumphs is if everyone goes silent and becomes quiescent." - Mark H.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I, Beth Syverson, welcome Mark, a transracial adoptee from Korea and a passionate advocate for adoption-related issues. Together, we delve into the often-overlooked intersection of politics and adoption, particularly in the context of the upcoming U.S. presidential election.
As an adoptive mom of a 20-year-old son, Joey, who is navigating his own path, I feel a deep responsibility to address the complexities surrounding adoption and how they relate to broader societal issues. This election is particularly significant, as it touches on critical topics such as racial justice, women's reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and the preservation of our democratic systems. With Joey preparing to vote for the first time, I am acutely aware of the stakes involved and the long-term impact our choices will have on future generations.
Mark shares his unique perspective as a transracial adoptee and a gay man, highlighting the challenges he faced growing up in a predominantly white environment. He reflects on the societal norms of his youth, where discussing politics was often taboo, and emphasizes the importance of speaking out in today's climate. Mark articulates the existential nature of this election, particularly for marginalized communities, and the need for individuals to engage in political discourse.
Throughout our conversation, we explore the implications of having a woman of color, Kamala Harris, as a presidential candidate. While Mark expresses excitement about her candidacy, he also addresses the racism and misogyny she faces, which resonates deeply with his own experiences of being “other”ed. We discuss how the political landscape has shifted, particularly within the Republican Party, and the urgent need for individuals to recognize and confront systemic racism.
Mark and I emphasize the importance of activism, not just in the traditional sense of protests and demonstrations, but in everyday conversations with friends, family, and neighbors. We encourage listeners to engage with those around them, especially in swing states, to ensure that their voices are heard and that they participate in the electoral process.
As we wrap up the episode, I invite listeners to reflect on their own roles in advocating for change and to consider how their political choices impact the lives of those in the adoption community and beyond. We urge everyone to vote, to educate themselves, and to have open discussions about the critical issues at stake in this election.
This episode serves as a call to action for all of us to be brave, to stand up for what we believe in, and to work towards a more equitable society for everyone, especially those affected by adoption. Thank you for joining us in this important conversation.
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RESOURCES:
If you’d like to connect with Mark H., send him an email through me at [email protected]. He’s staying anonymous in this episode in order to not jeopardize his job.
Respond to this episode on Unraveling Adoption’s page on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, or LinkedIn.
Other resource mentioned in this episode:
White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin J. DiAngelo: https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism-ebook/dp/B07638ZFN1
Other Resources:
APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption’s Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
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TIME STAMPS
00:01:00 - The Importance of Voting Beth discusses the significance of the upcoming presidential election and its impact on adoption-related issues.
00:02:30 - Introducing Mark Mark, a transracial adoptee, joins the conversation to discuss the intersection of politics and adoption.
00:03:00 - Mark's Background and Perspective Mark shares his experiences as a transracial adoptee and the importance of speaking out in the current political climate.
00:06:00 - The Fog of Whiteness Mark discusses the challenges of growing up in a predominantly white environment and the implications for transracial adoptees.
00:08:30 - Representation in Politics Mark expresses his feelings about having a woman of color as a presidential candidate and the challenges she faces.
00:10:30 - Racism and Misogyny in Politics Discussion on the racism and misogyny directed at Kamala Harris and its impact on marginalized communities.
00:12:30 - Understanding Systemic Racism Mark explains the difference between individual acts of racism and systemic racism in society.
00:14:30 - The Role of White Allies The importance of white individuals engaging with and understanding issues of race and privilege.
00:16:00 - The Stakes of the Election Mark emphasizes the critical nature of the upcoming election and the need for active participation.
00:18:00 - Mobilizing for Change Discussion on the responsibility of individuals to educate and mobilize others in their communities.
00:20:00 - The Importance of Conversations Mark highlights the power of personal conversations in advocating for change and understanding.
00:22:00 - Adoption and Political Interests Exploration of how adoption intersects with political issues, particularly for families of color.
00:24:00 - Activism in Everyday Life Mark discusses how activism can take many forms, including simple conversations with friends and family.
00:26:00 - The Power of Individual Votes The significance of each vote in local and national elections and the moral obligation to participate.
00:28:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action Beth and Mark encourage listeners to engage in the political process and advocate for marginalized communities.
“They [our kids] can't be more regulated than you are. They can only be as regulated as the least regulated person in the house.” - Stacey Uhrig
EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the pleasure of speaking with Stacey Uhrig, an adoptive parent and certified trauma recovery coach. Stacey shared her journey into adoption, which began after her own struggles with infertility. She emphasized the emotional complexities and challenges that come with adoption, particularly the trauma that both adoptees and adoptive parents may face.
Stacey discussed her experiences raising two boys adopted from Korea and the significant insights she gained about trauma, attachment, and the impact of early disruptions in a child's life. We explored the importance of understanding the emotional wounds that children may carry from their past experiences, even before they come into our homes.
Throughout our conversation, we highlighted the need for adoptive parents to do their own emotional work in order to better support their children. Stacey shared valuable resources, including her own ebook, What is Trauma Really?, and her podcast, Flip Your Mindset, both of which aim to educate and empower those affected by adoption.
We also touched on the misconceptions surrounding trauma and the importance of approaching parenting with empathy and an open mind. This episode serves as a reminder that understanding adoption trauma is crucial for creating a nurturing environment for our children. I hope this conversation resonates with adoptive parents and encourages them to seek knowledge and support in their parenting journey.
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✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
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RESOURCES:
Stacey’s contact information:
Look up Stacey’s website: https://www.flipyourmindset.com/
Hear Stacey’s podcast: https://www.flipyourmindset.com/podcast
Find Stacey on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/flipyourmindsetpodcast/
Download Staceys’ FREE e-book What Is Trauma Really?: https://flip-your-mindset.ck.page/20d3e76a8d
Other resources mentioned in this episode:
Seven Core Issues in Adoption and Permanency: A Comprehensive Guide to Promoting Understanding and Healing In Adoption, Foster Care, Kinship Families and Third Party Reproduction by Sharon Roszia and Allison Davis Maxon: https://www.amazon.com/Seven-Core-Issues-Adoption-Permanency/dp/1785928236/
Other Resources:
APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption’s Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00:00 - Introduction Welcome to Unraveling Adoption with host Beth Cyberson and guest Stacey Uhrig.
00:01:00 - Stacey's Adoption Journey Stacey shares her path to adoption through infertility and decision-making.
00:03:30 - Challenges in Adoption Discussion on the challenges faced, including school difficulties and a brain injury.
00:06:00 - Understanding Adoption Trauma Stacey reflects on the concept of the primal wound and its implications.
00:08:30 - Lack of Resources The struggle to find support and resources for adoptive parents.
00:10:30 - Importance of Education The need for better preparation for adoptive parents regarding challenges.
00:12:30 - Personal Growth How learning about trauma provided Stacey with grace in her parenting.
00:15:00 - Impact of Early Experiences Effects of early attachment disruptions on adopted children.
00:18:00 - Parental Responsibility The role of adoptive parents in understanding and healing trauma.
00:21:00 - Coaching Approach Stacey explains her coaching methods for adoptive parents.
00:24:00 - Nature of Trauma Exploration of trauma's meaning and effects on children.
00:27:00 - Self-Reflection for Parents Encouragement for parents to do their own emotional work.
00:30:00 - Work with Adoptees Stacey discusses her methods for working with adoptees.
00:33:00 - Conclusion and Resources Wrap-up and sharing of Stacey's website and podcast for further resources.
"When I was nine years old,...my parents just looked at each other and looked back at me and said, Michael, we just want to tell you that we love you very much and that you're adopted." -- Mike Thorne
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EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, I had the pleasure of speaking with Mike Thorne, an adoptee and community leader. Mike shared his journey of discovering his adoption at age nine, which profoundly impacted his self-worth. We discussed the importance of building personal trust communities—supportive networks that provide emotional and intellectual guidance, especially for those navigating the complexities of adoption.
Mike also reflected on his time as a board member of the National Council for Adoption (NCFA), emphasizing the need for diverse perspectives in adoption discussions. He encouraged listeners to seek out their own support systems and focus on their dreams rather than being held back by past experiences.
This episode serves as a powerful reminder of the importance of connection and understanding within the adoption community. I hope you find inspiration in Mike's insights and encourage you to explore his TEDx Talk and memoir for further understanding. Thank you for joining us, and I look forward to continuing this important conversation in future episodes.
RESOURCES:
Mike Thorne’s information:
Watch Mike’s TEDx Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_thorne_three_words_that_can_transform_our_lives_they_aren_t_what_you_think?subtitle=en
Read Mike’s memoir Hustle With Heart: Unlocking Self-Worth Through Personal Trust Communities: https://www.amazon.com/Hustle-Heart-Unlocking-Self-Worth-Communities/dp/1958729698/
Other resources mentioned in this episode:
NCFA - National Council for Adoption: https://adoptioncouncil.org/
Simon Benn’s organization & podcast Thriving Adoptees: https://www.thrivingadoptees.com/
Other resources:
APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption’s Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption Welcome to the podcast and introduction of host Beth Syverson and her son Joey.
00:01:00 - Mike Thorne's Adoption Story Mike shares his vivid experience of discovering he was adopted at the age of nine.
00:02:30 - Navigating Adoption Conversations Discussion on the lack of resources and conversations around adoption during Mike's childhood.
00:03:55 - Understanding Late Discovery Adoptees Exploration of the term "late discovery adoptee" and its implications.
00:05:00 - Age-Appropriate Communication in Adoption The importance of age-appropriate discussions about adoption with children.
00:06:00 - Adoptee Perspectives in Education Mike discusses his daughter's experiences as a teacher and the impact of sharing adoption stories.
00:07:00 - Mike's Leadership in Adoption Advocacy Mike's involvement with the National Council for Adoption and the importance of adoptee voices.
00:08:30 - Adoptee Panel at NCFA Conference Insights from the adoptee panel at the NCFA conference and its impact on attendees.
00:10:00 - The Need for Male Voices in Adoption The significance of including male and non-binary perspectives in the adoption conversation.
00:11:00 - Evolution of NCFA Discussion on the changes within the National Council for Adoption and its leadership.
00:12:00 - Mike's Future Goals in Maine Mike shares his plans to connect with local organizations in Maine to support adoption and foster care.
00:13:00 - Corporate Leadership Background Mike discusses his corporate experience and how it informs his approach to leadership.
00:15:00 - The Importance of Personal Trust Communities Introduction to the concept of personal trust communities and their role in personal growth.
00:18:00 - Overcoming Perfectionism in Adoptees Mike reflects on the perfectionism often experienced by adoptees and its roots.
00:20:00 - Building Supportive Networks The importance of finding the right people to support you in various aspects of life.
00:22:00 - Adoptee Spaces and Support The value of finding supportive spaces for adoptees to share their experiences.
00:24:00 - Challenges for Adoptive Parents Discussion on the struggles adoptive parents face in understanding and supporting their children.
00:26:00 - Collaboration Among Organizations The need for collaboration among nonprofits to improve outcomes for children in the adoption system.
00:28:00 - Mike's Vision for the Future Mike shares his aspirations for making a difference in the adoption community.
00:30:00 - Encouragement for Listeners Mike encourages listeners to focus on their dreams and find supportive communities.
00:32:00 - Conclusion and Resources Wrap-up of the episode, including resources for listeners to connect with Mike and Beth.
"I tell every adopted person that I meet that their story changes my own story. And it's the truth. It is the absolute truth." - Jessica M. Luciere
In this episode of Unraveling Adoption, host Beth Syverson interviews Jessica M. Luciere, an inter-country, interracial adoptee from Colombia who works at Spence Chapin, a nonprofit adoption agency. Jessica shares her personal adoption story and highlights the importance of adoptee-led initiatives in the adoption community. She discusses the programming she has created at Spence Chapin, including Voices of Adoption for adoptees over 18 and Teen Voices of Adoption for younger adoptees. Jessica emphasizes the significance of community and support for adoptees and adoptive parents, encouraging them to be open, vulnerable, and willing to learn. She also shares her experience of reuniting with her birth family in Colombia and offers advice for adoptees seeking connection with others. Beth and Jessica stress the importance of listening to adoptees' voices and elevating their perspectives in the adoption conversation. Overall, the episode highlights the value of community, support, and understanding in the adoption journey.
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📘Pick up our new book Adoption and Suicidality: https://www.amazon.com/Adoption-Suicidality-Healthcare-Professionals-Unraveling/dp/B0DCBCTSLL
📆 Community Calendar: UnravelingAdoption.com/Calendar
✨Healing the Adoption Constellation database: UnravelingAdoption.com/Healing
💌Sign up for our Unraveling Adoption email list: http://eepurl.com/hVIAVX
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RESOURCES:
Jessica’s information:
Spence Chapin’s website: https://spence-chapin.org/
Voices of Adoption - support groups for adults and teen adoptees: https://spence-chapin.org/voices-of-adoption/
Jessica’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jmluciere/
Other Resources:
APtitude Support Group for Adoptive Parents Facing Adoption’s Challenges: http://UnravelingAdoption.com/APtitude
Other Parents Like Me - http://oplm.com
Heather Ross - Life Coaching for Parents who have a child struggling with addiction: https://heatherrosscoaching.com/
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Unraveling Adoption is produced and hosted by Beth Syverson
Music written and performed by Joseph Nakao
Email questions or comments to [email protected]
Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube
Support Unraveling Adoption on Patreon: http://Patreon.com/UnravelingAdoption
Check out our website: http://UnravelingAdoption.com
Create your own podcast through Libsyn: https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=ADOPTION
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Please rate (*****) and/or review Unraveling Adoption in Apple Podcasts and Spotify (even if you listen to it on another app). Your feedback will help more listeners find our episodes. Thank you!
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TIME STAMPS
00:00:00 - Introduction to Unraveling Adoption and Jessica 00:05:30 - Importance of Adoptee-Led Initiatives 00:10:00 - Training and Support for Adoptive Parents 00:13:00 - Growing Up as a Transracial Adoptee 00:15:30 - Reuniting with Birth Family 00:17:00 - Advice for Adoptees Seeking Connection 00:19:00 - Advice for Adoptive Parents 00:20:30 - Resources and Programming at Spence Chapin 00:22:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action
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