Earlier this year, Untested's own Gina Barton and Det. Annie Harrison of Michigan's Ingham County Sheriff's Office headed to Dallas, Texas, for a conference called Podcast Movement. There, they led a session sharing how they met, how they grew to trust each other and how they made the show. Along the way, they shared tips and tricks for how law enforcement and journalists could learn from each other to become better interviewers.  

As a little holiday treat for Untested listeners, here's the recording of their talk provided by the fine folks at Podcast Movement.

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Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases, cold cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases and unsolved cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and crime stories.

USA TODAY's Untested: A true crime podcast has been recognized as a finalist for best true-crime limited series in the 2025 Signal Awards. Plus, you have a chance to help us take home the Listener's Choice Award. Please cast your vote for Untested: A true crime podcast by Oct. 9 at: https://vote.signalaward.com/PublicVoting#/2025/limited-series-specials/genre/true-crime

As much as the team that makes Untested: A true crime podcast appreciates your support, we know it’s not really about us. A vote for the show means you appreciate the rape survivors who were brave enough to share what happened to them. It means you want to take away the stigma from talking about rape. It means you recognize the value in sharing the stories of detectives who really care about victims and put in the effort to investigate sex crimes the right way. And, it shows USA TODAY you value deeply reported podcasts like Untested: A true crime podcast.

Thanks for your support!

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting comes from Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here:https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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On Sept. 3, you’ll be able to binge the entire season of podcast series Untested: A true crime podcast from USA TODAY – for free. Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases, cold cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and crime stories.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kits at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here:https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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For decades, hundreds of thousands of rape kits sat ignored in warehouses and evidence rooms around the country. As a result, a lot of sex offenders – many of them serial rapists – were never caught. They’re still out there, free to assault more women. 

Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about crime stories from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases and unsolved cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and other crime stories.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from investigative reporters Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here: https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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He terrorized women. He slipped through the cracks. But one detective refused to give up.

Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism into crime stories from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases and unsolved cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers crime stories and true crime cases.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from investigative reporters Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here: https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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In the final episode of the true crime podcast Untested from USA TODAY, Marshawn Curtis goes to trial, accused of serial crimes. Prosecutors have evidence from rape kits, but when it comes to criminal justice, a guilty verdict is never guaranteed - especially in cold cases.

Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about crime stories from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases and unsolved cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and other crime stories.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from investigative reporters Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here: https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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In episode four of Untested: A true crime podcast from USA TODAY, three more women come forward. Cold case Detective Annie Harrison spends hours trying to get alleged serial rapist Marshawn Curtis to confess to unsolved cases with previously untested rape kits. 

Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about crime stories from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and other crime stories.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from investigative reporters Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here:https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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In episode three of the true crime podcast Untested from USA TODAY, Michigan Detective Annie Harrison delves into the background of cold case rape suspect Marshawn Curtis. What she finds is terrifying, and it motivates her to seek overdue justice for victims in unsolved cases with previously untested rape kits.

Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about crime stories from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and other crime stories.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases and unsolved cases at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from investigative reporters Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here: https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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In episode two of Untested: A true crime podcast from USA TODAY, Georgia police dismiss a woman’s rape complaint as “unfounded,” meaning they don’t believe a crime occurred. But then two cold case detectives from Michigan knock on her door. They work unsolved cases and serial crimes, and they have new information about her rape kit. 

Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about crime stories from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and other crime stories.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases at USAToday.com/rapekits. 

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from investigative reporters Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here:https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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In episode one of Untested: A true crime podcast from USA TODAY, Detective Annie Harrison learns that a man she’s investigating for rape in Michigan may be a serial rapist. He has also been accused 800 miles away. Hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and powered by investigative journalism from USA TODAY, Untested: A true crime podcast gives listeners insider details about the problem of untested rape kits in cold cases.

Following along with detectives who work unsolved cases and serial crimes, you’ll get an insider’s view of how suspected serial rapist Marshawn Curtis sweet-talks cops in multiple states, avoiding arrest and terrorizing more women. Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism about true crime cases and crime stories from USA TODAY.

Annie Harrison, the main character of Untested: A true crime podcast, joins the ranks of true crime detectives as she tracks serial rapists in cold cases. Her secret weapon: DNA results from previously untested rape kits. In this investigative podcast series, Harrison shares her secrets with a criminal justice reporter who covers true crime cases and crime stories.

Untested: A true crime podcast is hosted by crime reporter Gina Barton and rooted in investigative journalism in true crime cases from USA TODAY. To get the full season of Untested: A true crime podcast ad-free on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, subscribe at USAToday.supportingcast.fm. Or listen to Untested: A true crime podcast for free starting Sept. 3 by checking out art19.com/shows/untested. For more real crime stories, read our investigative reporting into the problem of untested rape kit investigations in cold cases at USAToday.com/rapekits.

Untested: A true crime podcast is reported, written and produced by crime reporter Gina Barton. Our executive producer and audio engineer is investigative reporter Austin Fast. Additional investigative reporting about untested rape kit investigations in cold cases comes from investigative reporters Tricia Nadolny, Nick Penzenstadler, Jayme Fraser and Dian Zhang. Our editor is Romina Ruiz-Goiriena. The role of Joslyn Phillips is read by Erin Cavender. Our theme music is by Evan Johnson. Special thanks to Annie Harrison, Emily Zaballos, Aylysh Gallagher, Kelli Werner, Patricia Ceresa, Sara Tunney, Bill Schulz, Doug Caruso, Amy Pyle and Josh Susong. 

For more reporting on cold cases, unsolved cases and true crime detectives, as well as additional true crime stories and investigative journalism, visit witness.usatoday.com. Crime reporter and investigative reporter Gina Barton is also host of the true crime podcast Unsolved: A murder mystery podcast. Check it out here: https://art19.com/shows/unsolved

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