In this episode of Untidy, Matilda and Hannah invite Art Green to step aboard something of a leaky conversational boat. Ever progressively humbled from his distinguished days of being Aotearoa’s favourite Bachelor, Art’s now deeply embedded in the role of Stay At Home Dad, where he prides himself on running a tight ship. Together, he and Matty attempt to unpack the realities of swapping traditional roles, but mostly get side-tracked by divergent yarns and designing, Maurice, the perfect imaginary personal assistant.

In a chat that’s both full of hysterical giggles and uncomfortably real, Art reflects on his admiration for single parents and the realisation that most praise he gets for parenting comes from the novelty of being a dad who shows up to do what many mums do largely unremarked upon everyday.

There’s also an admirable listener submission for their extended ‘trampolining session’, tips for cleaning vomit out of car seats, book recommendations, and some cute mutual appreciation amongst the group. Whether you’re a tag-teaming couple, a solo parent on fumes, you’ll feel seen in this one ... or, at least, quite well entertained. 

Links mentioned in the show:

• Listen to ‘Love behind the scenes with Art & Matilda Green’ on Spotify
• Show your support for Big Brothers Big Sisters NZ
• Follow Art Green on Instagram @art_green
• One Dark Window by Rachel Gillig – Matilda’s audiobook recommendation
• All Our Shimmering Skies by Trent Dalton – Art’s current read
• The Seven Moons of Maali Almeida by Shehan Karunatilaka – Hannah’s current read

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In this episode of Untidy, Matilda and Hannah are joined by the fiercely insightful Emma McLean, founder of Works for Everyone, who’s on a mission to dismantle the motherhood penalty and reimagine how work and family can coexist. Emma brings 25+ years of corporate experience and the lived reality of parenting and solo-parenting three children while navigating a system that quietly punishes caregivers, especially women.

Emma talks about how workplaces edge mothers out of leadership, how returning parents get offered ‘pity roles’, and why the most important career decision you’ll ever make is who you partner with, and how the dynamics at home directly affect your confidence, ambition, and financial future.

The girls explore why resentment builds when one parent gets to stay late at work while the other carries the mental load of school lunches, daycare hours, and being the default caregiver, and how partners can start having the brave, messy conversations to find better balance.

If you’ve ever felt your career got parked or stuck in reverse when you had kids, or, this is something you want to avoid, this episode is a call to action for parents, partners, and employers. It’s not just about helping mums, it’s about building a system that actually works for everyone.

About Emma
Emma Mclean is a mum of three and founder of Works for Everyone, a professional development business that partners with NZ's leading corporates to help them retain and grow their working parent talent. She does this through innovative leadership programmes, executive coaching and keynote speaking. She founded her business in 2019 following a 20-year career in corporate strategy where she experienced first-hand how hard it was to have a career and a family. 

As an impatient optimist when it comes to system change, she launched her successful podcast ‘How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty’ in 2023 where she talks to humans who are actively working to change the system that creates financial penalties that only mothers pay. In 2024 she launched the first NZ Part Time Power List – to shine a light on those senior roles in NZ that are career building, not side stepping.

Links mentioned in the show:

• Emma’s website: worksforeveryone.co.nz
• Emma’s podcast: How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty
• Follow Emma on Instagram @worksforeveryone
• The Motherhood Penalty Series by Capsule
• The NZ Part Time Power List
• Jobs For Mums NZ
• UK Dad Equity Campaign – https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/sep/17/campaigners-model-baby-slings-statues-london-paternity-leave 
• Follow @dadshiftuk
• ‘Not Like Other Dads’ by Sean Szeps @seanszeps. An example of equitable parenting in same-sex partnerships.
• Not like other dads with Sean Szeps on Untidy (Spotify)

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

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In this mini-episode of Untidy, Matty and Hannah revisit their conversation with world-renowned naturopathic doctor and women’s health expert Dr Lara Briden when they chatted all things women’s hormones. Lara reframes the way we think about perimenopause. So many women approach their late 30s and 40s with a quiet sense of dread, unsure of what’s coming or how to prepare for it. But as Lara explains, perimenopause isn’t something to fear, but something to understand. She helps us see that this season of hormonal change doesn’t mean we’re broken, and rather than an indication of aging, it’s a hormonal event — a second puberty. If anything, it’s an invitation to reconnect with our bodies and take back the narrative.

To hear the full episodes with Lara, head to:

• Listen to Pros and cons of contraception with Lara Briden on Spotify
• Listen to Pros and cons of contraception with Lara Briden on Apple

You can learn more about Dr Lara Briden, read her blog and purchase her books at www.larabriden.com. Find her on Instagram @larabriden. 

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In this episode of Untidy, Matilda and Hannah eventually catch up amongst cruising through the everyday chaos of parenting, partnerships, and parasites. What’s a little puking between friends? Hannah introduces her new ‘winter wife’, a Hungarian wonder woman sent directly from heaven who’s transformed her life with folded laundry, meal prep, and home-cooked lunches. Meanwhile, Matty’s (year-round) husband, Art, gets a shout-out for his superior performance managing the parenting load while Matty’s at work. He might be missing his birthday massage, but he could be in line for an at-home Pilates session ...

Matty’s moved into her new house while juggling conferences, radio awards, and imposter syndrome. Hannah rectifies a few love life details in ‘Corrections Corner’, and recaps the sobering realities of her signature ‘Lifecycle of Modern Dating’ graph. A few listener stories cover the length and breadth of 3 am questions about the crucifixion, cat-induced eye parasites, and hope for inclusive fertility journeys. 

Links mentioned in the show:

• Magic Coffee Table
• Tom Sainsbury – ‘It’s finally shawl season!’
• Listen to ‘Welcome to ‘The Good Room’ with Chris Parker’ on Spotify
• Repromed fertility clinic https://www.repromed.co.nz/ 
• Gingernut’s Angels https://gingernutsangels.com/ 

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

Don’t forget! Untidy is made for YOU — the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email [email protected]. Your stories and ideas to help shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children’s books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.

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In this mini-episode of Untidy, Matty and Hannah revisit an incredible conversation with NZ’s beloved media personality, Toni Street, as she shares the heartbreak and hidden strength behind her family’s tragic story of loss. Toni opens up about the unimaginable grief her parents endured, losing three children, and the quiet ways that grief wove through her own childhood and upbringing.

Toni reflects on how growing up in the shadow of loss shaped her family’s way of coping, communicating, and parenting. She talks about what it was like to revisit these memories while writing her book Lost and Found, and how even now, the pain still sits close to the surface.

This conversation also touches on how to show up for someone who is grieving. Toni shares the moments that meant the most, the simple texts, turning up at funerals, being present, and why it’s okay if we don’t always get it right. 

Follow Toni on Instagram at @tonimstreet.

To hear the full episodes with Toni, head to:

• Loss, love and surrogacy with Toni Street on Spotify
• Loss, love and surrogacy with Toni Street on Apple podcasts

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

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In this episode of Untidy, Matilda and Hannah are joined once again by returning guest and fan fav, sex and relationships therapist, Jo Robertson, this time to talk about the very real dangers children are facing online.

Content Warning: This episode contains discussions around child grooming and online sexual exploitation. Listener discretion is advised. Please listen with care for yourself and others around you.

With nearly two decades of professional experience in sexual health, child development, and trauma, Jo brings deep expertise to the table as she breaks down the alarming trends in online harm. From predatory contact on social media platforms to the rise of self-generated sexual content among children, Jo reveals what’s really happening when kids are left to their own devices.

She shares her insights from working with the Before 16 campaign, which is lobbying to raise the legal age of social media access from 13 to 16. Jo explains why current laws and parental controls aren't enough, why big tech isn’t keeping pace with predators, and how New Zealand is falling far behind other nations in digital safety policy.

But this episode isn’t just about problems, it’s packed with practical advice. Jo outlines how to start tricky but essential conversations with children, and how parents can use both control and influence to keep their kids safe in the digital world.

This conversation is a must-listen for any parent or caregiver navigating the online world with kids.

Links as mentioned in the show:

• Before 16 Campaign & Petition
• Tricky Chats Parenting Course
• Yoti Age Verification Info
• RNZ Article: The teens saying no to social media (and yes to brick phones)

If you want to hear more from Jo, listen to her previous episodes on Untidy called, ‘Navigating New Sexual Landscapes with Jo Robertson’, ‘Sex and relationships Q&A (Part one) with Jo Robertson’, ‘Sex and relationships Q&A (Part two) with Jo Robertson’, on your favourite podcast app. 

You can find Jo and a lot of resources via her website https://www.jorobertson.org/, and on Instagram @jorobertson.therapy. You can also sign up for her parenting course @trickychatsparenting by visiting the Tricky Chats Parenting website.

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

Don’t forget! Untidy is made for YOU — the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email [email protected]. Your stories and ideas to help shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children’s books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.

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In this mini-episode of Untidy, Matty and Hannah revisit one of our most powerful conversations with author and researcher Kasey Edwards, the co-author of the books 'Raising Girls Who Like Themselves', and, 'Bringing up Boys who Like Themselves'. Kasey discusses what it really means to raise emotionally resilient boys in today’s world.

Kasey challenges the long-held idea that boys need to be ‘tough’ to survive, and suggests that resilience comes from helping boys develop emotional bravery. She explains how ‘toughness’ often leads to fragility, not strength, and why helping our boys feel, name, and carry their emotions is the key to raising good men.

This is a must-listen for anyone raising boys who want to grow into confident, connected, emotionally intelligent men.

To hear the full episodes with Kasey, head to:

• Raising kids who like themselves with Kasey Edwards on Spotify
• Raising kids who like themselves with Kasey Edwards on Apple

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

Don’t forget! Untidy is made for YOU — the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email [email protected]. Your stories and ideas to help shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children’s books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.

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In this chaotic episode of Untidy, Matilda and Hannah come in hot (and festering) with gripping chat about the questionable states of their drink bottles and the confusing double standards of various hygiene rules.

Matilda gets hit on in a hotel lift and Hannah reveals how successful influencing has her with the facial skin of and infant. There’s full analysis of Apple Watch data she’s collected while having midday “Pilates” in committed example of ‘doin’ it for the pod’.

They unpack Kris Jenner’s impossibly smooth features and wonder where it ends ... and begins ... Then pay a visit to the cast of characters reading for parts in Matty’s head. Lastly, Hannah’s sage parenting advice gets turned around to bite her in the olfactory nerves. 

It’s unhinged, far too revealing, and full of giggles. Bon appetite!

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

Don’t forget! Untidy is made for YOU — the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email [email protected]. Your stories and ideas to help shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children’s books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.

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In this punchy and powerful mini-episode of Untidy, Matty and Hannah talk to parenting educator, Maggie Dent, about the impossible expectations placed on modern parents. From the myth of the perfect house to the mental load of keeping it all together, Maggie shares practical wisdom, humour, and one incredibly liberating tip that saved her sanity.

This is five precious minutes of solidarity, and, your permission slip to let go of the pressure, laugh at the chaos, and remember: you’re not failing — you’re just raising humans.

Maggie’s latest book, ‘Help Me Help My Teen’, is a guide for parents to help their teens when they're struggling with the challenges and increased pressures today’s teens are facing, i.e. vaping, anxiety, sexuality, school grades, self-harm and sexual harassment. Check it out!

Follow Maggie Dent on Instagram @maggiedentauthor, and find much more at her website maggiedent.com. Buy her books at Mighty Ape, Paper Plus or in audio book format. Maggie is also the host of The Good Enough Dad podcast and has hosted six seasons of the award-winning ABC podcast, Parental As Anything.

To hear the full episodes with Maggie, head to:

• Surfing the waves of adolescence with Maggie Dent of Spotify
• Surfing the waves of adolescence with Maggie Dent of Apple

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

Don’t forget! Untidy is made for YOU — the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email [email protected]. Your stories and ideas to help shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children’s books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.

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In this episode of Untidy, Matilda and Hannah speak with Dr Victoria Thompson, a clinical psychologist based in Ōtautahi Christchurch, about the juicy (often triggering) topic of attachment theory and how it show up in dating, relating, and parenting.

Ever wondered why you keep dating the same kind of person, feel panicked when someone pulls away, or find it hard to open up? In this episode, Dr Victoria Thompson unpacks how our early relationships shape us, how our attachment style influences how we love, connect, chase, avoid and fight in our adult lives, and, how we can use this knowledge to help nurture secure kids.

Victoria shares how we can move from anxious and avoidant attachment styles, toward secure attachment in relationships and parenting, with one small step at a time.

Victoria works in private practice in Christchurch and specialises in child and adolescent mental health, eating disorders, forensic psychology, and couples therapy. She's also a new mum and brings both professional expertise and personal honesty to this powerful kōrero.

Links as mentioned in the show:

• Find Victoria online www.victoriathompsonpsychology.com 
• Follow Dr Victoria Thompson on Instagrat @drvictoriathompson

If you’re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the ‘+ follow’ button in your podcast app and subscribing on YouTube! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community — share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review — it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We’re grateful to have you here! — Hannah & Matty xx

Don’t forget! Untidy is made for YOU — the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email [email protected]. Your stories and ideas to help shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children’s books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.

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