On today’s Equipping You in Grace show, Dave talks with Dave and Holly Pivec about the concerning influence of Bill Johnson and Bethel, how they interpret the Bible, govern the church, why and how Christians can engage in discernment, and speak out against this movement, along with her book with Doug Givett, Reckless Christianity: The Destructive New Teachings and Practices of Bill Johnson, Bethel Church, and the Global Movements of Apostles and Prophets (Wifi and Stock, 2024).What you’ll hear in this episodeWho Bill Johnson and Bethel are and how has their influence grown and why is that important to understand.The biggest reasons why Christians should be concerned about Bethel.The concerning nature of Bethel church’s government.How Christians should evaluate the shocking claims made by Bethel and Bill Johnson.What is so concerning about the Passion translation.The most concerning thing about how Bethel interprets the Bible.The problems with Bethel’s claims of “binding and loosing” and how Christians should think about them.Help for the average Christian on speaking out against the New Apostolic Reformation.About Our GuestHolly Pivec is a blogger, author, and speaker, as well as a pastor’s wife and homeschooling mom. She has a master’s degree in apologetics from Biola University, where she also served as university editor for nearly a decade. She has coauthored two books about the New Apostolic Reformation: A New Apostolic Reformation? and God’s Super-Apostles. She operates a popular blog which has followers from around the world, and has spoken and written for several audiences and outlets.Subscribing, sharing, and your feedbackYou can subscribe to Equipping You in Grace via iTunes, Google Play, or your favorite podcast catcher. If you like what you’ve heard, please consider leaving a rating and share it with your friends (it takes only takes a second and will go a long way to helping other people find the show). You can also connect with me on Twitter at @davejjenkins, on Facebook, or via email to share your feedback.Thanks for listening to this episode of Equipping You in Grace!