After a championship-level rant about the Showbox and related housing issues, Ian sits with poet, photographer, and public artist Shin Yu Pai, a 2014 Stranger Genius Award nominee whose work has appeared throughout the U.S., Japan, China, Taiwan, The United Kingdom, and Canada. The pair discuss "when you know" about a career in writing and what makes "good" versus merely honest writing; Shin Yu shares her thoughts on form, and then the conversation turns to what it means to be a public artist in a time of great civic change.