In this episode of VISITORS, Kelly sits down with Juergen Hess—aka Hoodoo Tall—fresh off earning his Ph.D. in Metaphysical Sciences, a milestone that formalizes years of disciplined fieldwork around Sedona and the Bradshaw Ranch. Known for blurring the lines between researcher, experiencer, and storyteller, Juergen shares wisdom shaped by a long friendship and mentorship with the late John Lear, as well as first-hand time “working with” Lear on investigations. He also opens a window into his friendship with author Lou Baldin, a singular (and sometimes polarizing) voice whose ideas are resurfacing—and that some in the UFO community, including Richard Dolan, have been highlighting as worth a closer look.

What makes Hoodoo stand out isn’t just the footage or the archives—it’s the way he leads with empathy and kindness, modeling how to ask brave questions without dehumanizing the people behind the stories. That’s why Sam and Kelly have been proud to share Hoodoo’s work with their girls: as a living example of pursuing your passions with courage, integrity, and curiosity. And if the stars align, we hope to experience Hoodoo’s work in person on our next trip to Sedona—right where so much of this high-strangeness begins.

If you’re new to Hoodoo Tall, this conversation is an ideal entry point; if you’ve followed him for years, you’ll hear fresh context—from Lear’s influence to Baldin’s thought experiments—framed by a researcher who never forgets that people come first. For more on Hoodoo’s recent work and appearances, see his VISITORS episode and recent interviews exploring Bradshaw Ranch phenomena.

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