In this episode, I interview UFO researcher Walter Bosley about the 19th-century origins of the UFO mystery. This is important, because when you move into this often-overlooked aspect of the story it becomes clear that secretive human groups and not aliens are behind the phenomenon.

Walter's book "Origin: The 19th Century Emergence of the 20th Century Breakaway Civilizations" was a big influence on my own work on this topic, which I covered as part of my "The Secret History of the 20th Century" series (soon to be released as a book).

Walter's website is http://walterbosley.com
Mine is http://alexsachon.com

If you're interested in the UFO topic, also check out my previous interview with Nick Cook!

Intro beat: by my friend Ryan aka Otto Moss. Find him on Spotify at https://shorturl.at/knC13

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