We Do Science

What does it take to deliver performance nutrition in the NFL? In this episode of We Do Science, I’m joined by Dr Matt Frakes of the New York Giants to explore the realities of supporting elite athletes and turning nutrition research into everyday practice.

Matt shares his journey from college football player and clinical dietitian to working in collegiate sport and the NFL. We discuss why qualifications alone don’t earn an athlete’s trust, how to build relationships with players and their support networks, and what individualised nutrition looks like within a team environment.

We also explore Matt’s doctoral research into nutrition and concussion recovery, his experience supporting an athlete during Ramadan, and the practical challenges of feeding players both inside and outside the training facility. Along the way, we discuss supplements, commercial testing and the demands of supporting recovery across a long, physically demanding season.

For sports nutrition practitioners, coaches and students, this conversation offers an honest look at the communication, collaboration and judgement involved in working at the highest level—and the lessons Matt would share with someone starting out.

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Connect with Matt:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/superiorfrakes/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrfrakes89/

Connect with me:

Substack: https://substack.com/@laurentbannock

Website: https://www.laurentbannock.com

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Matt’s journey to the NFL

09:00 From clinical nutrition to elite performance

16:47 Building trust and individualising athlete support

27:50 Nutrition and concussion research

33:27 Understanding the athlete: beliefs, habits and Ramadan

44:12 Delivering individualised nutrition across a team

50:02 Food provision and nutrition outside the facility

1:05:48 Supplements, commercial testing and player trust

1:14:05 The demands of NFL nutrition and recovery

1:24:23 Career lessons and advice for practitioners

What happens to your muscles when you exercise in a calorie deficit? In this episode of We Do Science, I’m joined by Dr José Areta, Associate Professor in Exercise Metabolism and Nutrition at Liverpool John Moores University, to explore how muscle responds when energy intake is reduced—and why muscle size is only part of the picture.

José takes us through his research examining five days of low energy availability alongside aerobic exercise in men. Looking beyond body weight and lean mass, his team tracked changes in individual muscle proteins to understand how the muscle was adapting.

We discuss what they found, including changes in proteins involved in energy production, and explore the distinction between muscle quantity and quality. We also consider how the body prioritises energy, the role of protein intake, and the relevance of these findings to athletes managing their body composition.

Throughout, we address the study’s limitations and why short-term changes shouldn’t be taken as evidence that prolonged energy restriction improves performance. For practitioners, coaches, athletes and students, this conversation offers a closer look at the relationship between nutrition, exercise and muscle adaptation.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction and José’s background

06:43 Understanding energy availability

11:40 Why study muscle during an energy deficit?

22:23 How the body prioritises energy

35:36 The study: diet, exercise and muscle measurements

45:02 Key findings: hormones and muscle adaptation

51:06 Short-term versus prolonged energy restriction

54:27 The roles of protein and exercise

1:04:03 Main takeaways

Connect with Jose:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jose_l_areta/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jose-areta-8671738a/

Connect with Laurent:

Substack: https://substack.com/@laurentbannock

Website: https://www.laurentbannock.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurent_bannock

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Is more protein always better? In this episode of We Do Science, I’m joined by Professor Nick Burd to explore protein nutrition, muscle adaptation and why the amount of protein we eat is only part of the story.

Returning to the podcast after six years, Nick shares insights from his research at the University of Illinois into protein metabolism and the food matrix: how a food’s structure and surrounding nutrients influence the way our bodies respond to it. From eggs and salmon to whey and casein, we examine what we can learn from studying whole foods alongside isolated proteins and supplements.

We discuss the difference between maximal and optimal protein intake, why muscle protein synthesis shouldn’t automatically be equated with muscle growth, and how protein strategies may differ between strength and endurance athletes. We also explore anabolic resistance, muscle quality and the questions researchers are still working to answer.

Whether you’re a sports nutrition practitioner, coach, athlete or student, this conversation offers a closer look at how to interpret protein research and apply it in practice, with a reminder of the central role of consistent exercise in supporting muscle adaptation.

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Connect with Nick:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholasburd/

Connect with Laurent:

Substack: https://substack.com/@laurentbannock

Website: https://www.laurentbannock.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurent_bannock

Chapters:

01:59 Protein, the food matrix and the questions ahead

03:03 Nick’s background and research

06:25 A career investigating protein metabolism

09:03 Making sense of muscle protein synthesis

12:28 Muscle remodelling versus muscle growth

14:30 How protein research shapes recommendations

16:52 Understanding the protein RDA

23:21 Individual responses and personalised nutrition

25:36 Maximal versus optimal protein intake

29:59 Food first, supplements and questions about timing

31:42 Strength versus endurance athletes

33:20 Looking beyond total protein intake

35:29 Understanding the food matrix

36:08 Lessons from eggs, salmon and minced meat

41:54 Whey, casein and attempts to improve the response

46:58 Exercise, protein and anabolic resistance

50:45 Anabolic resistance in different populations

54:45 Muscle size, strength and quality

59:52 Are we too focused on protein quantity?

On this episode of We Do Science, Dr Laurent Bannock welcomes back Dr Dana Lis, registered dietitian and performance nutrition practitioner, alongside chef and nutritionist Nicki Strobel, to discuss their paper Plate to Performance: Culinary Nutrition Support for Professional Road Cycling, part of the UCI Sports Nutrition Project.

Drawing on years of experience in elite cycling, Dana and Nicki explain how the culinary nutrition team of nutritionists, chefs and soigneurs turns evidence into food riders will actually eat across Grand Tours, Classics and training camps. The conversation covers the chef–nutritionist relationship, on-bike fuelling, menu planning around stage demands, and how power meter data, doubly labelled water and continuous glucose monitors inform daily decisions.

Laurent, Dana and Nicki also discuss educating riders in a decentralised sport, building buy-in across the team, planning for illness, crashes and kitchens without power, and where the journey from science to plate most often breaks down. With lessons that apply well beyond cycling, this episode offers sports nutritionists, chefs, coaches, students and athletes a practical look at how performance nutrition is delivered in the real world.

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Read the paper:

Plate to Performance: Culinary Nutrition Support for Professional Road Cycling

https://journals.humankinetics.com/view/journals/ijsnem/36/3/article-p335.xml

Connect with Dana:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-dana-lis/

Connect with Nicki:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicki-strobel-44b41347/

Connect with Laurent:

Substack: ⁠https://substack.com/@laurentbannock⁠

LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurentbannock/⁠

Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/laurent_bannock⁠

Website: ⁠⁠https://www.laurentbannock.com

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

03:13 Welcoming Dana and Nicki to We Do Science

04:31 Bridging the gap between science and practice

06:35 Dana's background and career

10:08 Nicki's journey from Michelin-star chef to pro cycling

15:20 How the Plate to Performance paper came about

20:38 Why chefs and nutritionists need a shared language

23:18 Cooking on the road: chefs, hotels and logistics

26:27 Prioritising nutrition interventions

28:41 The chef–nutritionist relationship

33:12 On-bike nutrition and the role of soigneurs

38:02 Keeping the evidence intact across the team

42:01 Planning menus around race demands

45:15 Day types, fuelling time points and daily adjustments

49:56 The data behind fuelling decisions

52:55 Energy availability and RED-S in the field

56:16 Turning precise numbers into real meals

59:36 Rider education in a decentralised sport

1:04:06 Building rider buy-in

1:07:11 Working through the rider's support network

1:11:04 Establishing yourself in a new team

1:15:25 When things go wrong on the road

1:17:26 Planning for illness and injury

1:22:09 Where the science breaks down in practice

1:24:47 What Dana and Nicki have changed their minds on

We Do Science with Dr Laurent Bannock returns, now with video! In this first episode back, Laurent welcomes Professor Michael Gleeson, Emeritus Professor of Exercise Biochemistry at Loughborough University, to explore the four Ps of performance nutrition: personalise, periodise, pre-fuel and prepare.

Drawing on his research and experience in sports nutrition, Michael explains how this framework can help practitioners turn scientific evidence into practical decisions for their athletes. The conversation covers carbohydrate fuelling, hydration, gut training and supplements, alongside the importance of adapting nutrition strategies to training demands, individual preferences and the realities of competition.

Laurent and Michael also discuss the role of wearables and testing in personalised nutrition, the challenges of supplement marketing, and why more information doesn’t always lead to better decisions. With examples from football and endurance sport, this episode offers sports nutritionists, coaches, students and athletes a practical look at choosing, applying and evaluating nutrition strategies.

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Connect with Michael:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-gleeson-218565b9/

Connect with Laurent:

Substack: https://substack.com/@laurentbannock

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurentbannock/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laurent_bannock

Website: ⁠https://www.laurentbannock.com

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction
02:47 Welcoming Michael back to We Do Science
04:18 Michael’s background and research
08:06 Why develop the four P's of performance nutrition?
14:18 Using the framework to guide decisions
19:40 Personalise: tailoring nutrition to the athlete
24:22 Personalisation, testing and getting the basics right
30:28 Periodise: matching nutrition to training demands
34:11 Gut training and rehearsing competition nutrition
37:23 Pre-fuel: preparing for competition
43:22 Prepare: hydration, fuelling and supplements
49:19 Athlete preferences and practical problem-solving
52:27 Cultural considerations and World Cup nutrition
55:29 Choosing what belongs in the framework
56:35 Supplement evidence and marketing
1:03:38 Applying and evaluating the four Ps
1:05:35 The future of personalised sports nutrition
1:09:05 The future of sports nutrition textbooks

We Do Science is back — and this time, you can watch as well as listen.

Launching Friday 25 September, Season 2 brings a new series of conversations exploring the science and practice of sport and exercise nutrition.

Following 182 audio episodes published between 2014 and 2023, this new chapter introduces video on Spotify, with audio available for listeners who prefer to tune in on the move.

Watch the trailer for a taste of what’s ahead, and follow We Do Science so you’re ready for the first episode.

Explore the original audio archive here on the show page.

Episode 188 of the Institute of Performance Nutrition's "We Do Science" podcast! In this episode, I (Laurent Bannock) discuss "Embracing the Ethos of Scientific Scepticism" with Dr Nick Tiller PhD (Harbor-UCLA, USA) and Prof Stu Phillips PhD (McMaster University, Canada)

Discussion Topics Include:

• Snake oil and fraudulent claims in the health, wellness and sports nutrition industry
• Bad science and its impact on research and practice
• Why being a responsible sceptic requires a comprehensive set of critical thinking skills
• Why having the courage to confront pseudoscience can potentially alter the paradigm, and reverse the current emphasis on marketing over science

Key Paper(s) / Book(s) Referred to:

• How Skepticism (not Cynicism) Can Raise Scientific Standards and Reform the Health and Wellness Industry
• Baseless claims and pseudoscience in health and wellness: A call to action for the sports, exercise, and nutrition-science community
• The Skeptic's Guide to Sports Science

Related Podcast Episodes:

• #123 - "Nutrition and single-stage ultra-marathon" with Dr Nick Tiller PhD

Check out our other podcasts, publications, events, and professional education programs for current and aspiring sports nutritionists at www.TheIOPN.com and follow our social media outputs via @TheIOPN

Episode 187 of the Institute of Performance Nutrition's "We Do Science" podcast! In this episode, I (Laurent Bannock) discuss "Creatine: Beyond Strength and Power" with Dr Scott Forbes PhD (Brandon University, Canada)

Discussion Topics Include:

• Summary of dietary sources and mechanisms of action of Creatine Monohydrate and its potential impact on adaptions to resistance training, strength, power and muscle hypertrophy
• Emerging research for novel applications of Creatine on health, cognitive functions, immunity, glycogen storage,  and in particular endurance training and performance

Key Paper(s) / Book(s) Referred to:

• Creatine Supplementation and Endurance Performance (paper currently in final review stage)

Related Podcast Episodes:

• #147 - "Creatine myths and common questions" with Dr Scott Forbes

Check out our other podcasts, publications, events, and professional education programs for current and aspiring sports nutritionists at www.TheIOPN.com and follow our social media outputs via @TheIOPN

Episode 186 of the Institute of Performance Nutrition's "We Do Science" podcast! In this episode, I (Laurent Bannock) discuss "Nutrition for the Prevention and Treatment of Sports Injuries in Athletes" with Professor Craig Sale PhD (Manchester Metropolitan University, UK)

Discussion Topics Include:

• Epidemiology of injuries in athletes
• The scientific evidence and relevance to athletes
• Nutrition to prevent and treat muscle injuries
• Nutrition to prevent and treat bone injuries
• Nutrition to prevent and treat tendon and ligament injuries

Key Paper(s) / Book(s) Referred to:

• Nutrition for the Prevention and Treatment of Injuries in Track and Field Athletes

Related Podcast Episodes:

• #110 - "Nutrition Support for Exercise Induced Injury" with Professor Kevin Tipton
• #159 - "Exercise induced muscle damage: What is it, what causes it and what are the nutritional solutions?" with Dr Daniel Owens and Professor Kevin Tipton

Check out our other podcasts, publications, events, and professional education programs for current and aspiring sports nutritionists at www.TheIOPN.com and follow our social media outputs via @TheIOPN

Episode 185 of the Institute of Performance Nutrition's "We Do Science" podcast! In this episode, I (Laurent Bannock) discuss "Restricting Carbs and its Impact on Physical Activity & Metabolism" with Professor Javier Gonzalez PhD (University of Bath, UK)

Discussion Topics Include:

• Fuel use  and changes during activity and rest
• Blood sugar and insulin responses to sugar and carbohydrate restriction
• Sugar restriction and blood lactate concentrations
• Fat oxidation rates after various types of meals
• Changes in metabolism as a result of sugar and carbohydrate restriction and wether that actually results in physical activity and total energy intake differences
• Pros and cons to sugar and carbohydrate restriction for health, body composition and performance

Key Paper(s) / Book(s) Referred to:

• Restricting sugar or carbohydrate intake does not impact physical activity level or energy intake over 24 h despite changes in substrate use: a randomised crossover study in healthy men and women

Related Podcast Episodes:

• #173: "CHO feeding formats: impact on CHO oxidation during exercise"
  with Dr Mark Hearris
• #170: "Nutrient timing and metabolic regulation"
  with Professor James Betts

Check out our other podcasts, publications, events, and professional education programs for current and aspiring sports nutritionists at www.TheIOPN.com and follow our social media outputs via @TheIOPN