Having just seen Peter Hook & The Light, we're spending this episode discussing not just Hooky's presentation of the Joy Division and New Order catalogs, but also how our thoughts and feelings about those two bands have changed over the past thirty years. By equal measures we'll be getting into the nitty gritty of JD/NO lore and ephemera, but also wrestling with what has and hasn't changed about ourselves since we first came in contact with music which has never lost its gravitational pull upon us. We're also talking about some possible Tear Garden news.