If the first half of Liz Fay's story was about courage and agency — choosing to step away from a 19-year teaching career — this half is about what comes next: the open space.

Host Tim Meisenheimer and Liz talk about learning to rest before life demands it, the discipline of Sabbath, and why "no shoulds" became her rule for peace. Together, they explore how to practice rest without guilt, why receiving might be the bravest form of generosity, and how to reclaim agency when life feels full of non-negotiables.

Liz offers wisdom not just for teachers, but for anyone facing burnout, transition, or uncertainty — reminding us that true investment isn't just in the future, but in the people and presence of today. CHAPTERS 00:00 Embracing Rest and Reflection 02:57 The Importance of Checking In 06:03 Challenging Non-Negotiables 09:05 Redefining Success and Agency 11:48 The Power of Vulnerability 15:14 Navigating the Unknown 18:13 The Gift of Community 21:04 Practicing Sabbath and Rest 24:02 Finding Joy in the Present 26:55 Preparing for a Season of Rest 29:50 The Journey of Self-Discovery 33:00 Living with Intention and Purpose

What You'll Learn

1. How to practice Sabbath as discipline, not escape — what it means to rest on purpose, not as a reward.

2. Why receiving is an act of generosity — and how humility allows others to love and serve you.

3. The freedom of "no shoulds" — learning to let go of guilt, hurry, and external expectations.

4. How to check in on others well — asking better questions that go beyond "How are you?"

5. Why rest requires courage — especially for high-capacity, responsible people who are used to giving.

6. The gift of modeling vulnerability — how honest sharing with family, kids, and friends strengthens relationships.

7. Reimagining success and security — investing in today's relationships instead of tomorrow's "what-ifs."

What happens when generosity becomes your answer to scarcity?

In this heartfelt conversation, host Tim Meisenheimer sits down with Liz Fay — a longtime friend, fellow teacher, and his very first financial planning client — to explore how money follows values. Liz shares how she learned finance at the library before ever carrying a balance, why generosity became her response to fear, and what it looked like to open her home so friends could walk out of debt together.

Together, they discuss the years of teaching through the pandemic, the yellow flags we often ignore, and the morning Liz realized she needed a different future. It's a story about courage, community, and the quiet strength that comes from aligning your finances with what matters most.

If you've ever wondered "Am I allowed to change?" or "How do I help a friend who's struggling?" — this episode is for you.

What You'll Learn

1. Why money follows values — and how clarifying what matters most changes the way you spend, save, and give.

2. How generosity dismantles fear and scarcity — the counterintuitive truth that giving actually leads to greater peace and freedom.

3. Practical ways to walk with friends through debt — what it looks like to invite others into your home, your story, and your financial wisdom.

4. How to recognize "yellow flags" of burnout — and why listening early can keep a good calling from becoming a crisis.

5. What it means to start a new chapter faithfully — the courage it takes to leave a long-term role, even one you love, and trust God with what's next.

6. Why generosity transforms both giver and receiver — how true wealth is measured not by accumulation, but by connection and character.

Chapters:

00:00 The Journey of Financial Awareness 03:04 Generosity as a Response to Scarcity 05:58 Navigating the Teaching Profession 08:54 Creating a Culture of Generosity 12:11 The Impact of Generosity on Relationships 15:11 Recognizing Yellow Flags in Life 18:04 The Courage to Change Careers 20:55 The Reciprocal Nature of Generosity

Resources Mentioned

1. God and Money by Gregory Baumer & John Cortines – A biblical look at how generosity transforms the way we think about wealth and purpose.

2. Debt-Proof Living by Mary Hunt – The book Liz found at the public library that first shaped her understanding of financial margin and living within her means.

In this episode of Wealth Beyond Riches, host Tim Meisenheimer continues his conversation with pastor and author Heath Hardesty, diving into themes from his new book, All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World.

Heath unpacks the deep connection between joy and generosity, sharing how a life aligned with God's abundance leads to greater freedom, joy, and relational wholeness. Together, Tim and Heath explore how generosity forms us, why giving isn't just financial, and how abundance and scarcity mindsets shape our view of the world.

Through personal stories and biblical insights, Heath invites listeners to see generosity not as an obligation, but as an act of becoming fully human — reflecting a generous God who gives freely and joyfully.

Order Heath's new book: All Things Together

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

• The link between joy and generosity

• How generosity reshapes the heart and builds community

• The difference between abundance and scarcity mindsets

• How giving extends beyond money — to time, attention, and relationships

• Why generosity is a spiritual practice that brings personal freedom

Chapters:

(00:00) – Introduction: The Joy of Generosity (01:30) – Learning from Mentors: Modeling Generous Living (03:40) – Joy and Generosity as Core to Human Design (06:00) – Abundance vs. Scarcity Mindsets (08:30) – Living Generously Without Expectation (10:45) – Formation Through Giving (14:20) – The Cost and Beauty of Sacrificial Generosity (17:10) – Family, Faith, and Financial Stewardship (20:50) – The Practice of Joy in Giving (23:00) – Raising Kids Toward Wonder and Gratitude (26:30) – Final Reflections and Everyday Generosity

Resources Mentioned:

• All Things Together by Heath Hardesty — order here

• The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey

• Muppets Christmas Carol

Keywords:

Heath Hardesty, generosity, joy, abundance mindset, scarcity mindset, spiritual formation, giving, Christian leadership, Wealth Beyond Riches, Tim Meisenheimer, faith and finances, apprenticeship to Jesus, All Things Together, family values, purpose, human flourishing

In this episode of Wealth Beyond Riches, Tim sits down with Heath Hardesty—pastor, author of All Things Together (releasing October 14), speaker, entrepreneur, and father of five.

Heath shares his unlikely journey from working as a plumber's apprentice to becoming a pastor in Silicon Valley, and how an existential crisis reshaped his faith and purpose. With wisdom that blends theology, literature, culture, and even Monty Python, Heath offers a fresh perspective on what it means to live a deeply integrated life in a fragmented world.

Together, they dive into:

• Heath's early career, from bookstores to plumbing to pastoral leadership

• The existential turning point that led him to authentic faith

• Why apprenticeship—whether to a master plumber or to Jesus—is about relationship, not just skill

• The dangers of living "wonder blind" and how to reclaim awe in everyday life

• How fragmentation in modern life (disconnection, distraction, digital overload) can be healed through story, faith, and intentional practices

If you've ever wrestled with faith, purpose, or what it means to live a truly flourishing life, this episode is for you.

Pre-order Heath's book All Things Together: Amazon link

Giveaway

Leave a review on Spotify or Apple podcasts and then email [email protected] & you will be entered to win 1 of Heath's new book: All Things Together.

Chapters

(00:00) – Life Together and the Need for Community (01:00) – Meet Heath Hardesty: Pastor, Author, Friend (02:00) – From Plumber's Apprentice to Pastor (06:00) – Wrestling with Faith and Existential Questions (08:00) – Encountering Grace and Experiencing God Personally (11:00) – The Master and Apprentice Paradigm (14:00) – Living "Wonder Blind" and Rediscovering Awe (18:00) – The Fragmented, Disintegrated World We Live In (23:00) – Why We Need a Coherent Story (26:00) – The Power of Imagination and Storytelling (28:00) – Practices for Reintegrating Life (31:00) – Slowing Down: Presence, Prayer, and Generosity

Keywords

Heath Hardesty, All Things Together, spiritual formation, apprenticeship, purpose, faith journey, integrated life, fragmentation, wonder, imagination, theology, discipleship, Christian leadership, calling, living with purpose, family and faith

In part two of our conversation, David Green and Bill High share more about the principles that have guided Hobby Lobby and the Green family for generations. David unpacks the practices that keep him grounded as a CEO—prioritizing family, focusing on the "main thing," and resisting the distractions of endless work. Bill offers perspective on how intentional family culture shapes legacy, and why the Greens view Hobby Lobby not just as a company, but as a ministry.

You'll also hear why David has no intention of selling Hobby Lobby, what it means to make a "great handoff" to future generations, and how true wealth is found in contentment rather than accumulation. The episode closes with powerful reflections on generosity, Bible translation, and culture-shaping projects like He Gets Us and the Museum of the Bible.

Whether you're an entrepreneur, a parent, or someone rethinking what matters most, this episode challenges you to reframe success around faith, family, and eternal impact.

Pre-order The Legacy Life: Leading Your Family to Make a Difference for Eternity

Chapters

(00:00) – Why Hobby Lobby prioritizes family over profit (04:00) – Daily rhythms and leadership practices of David Green (07:00) – The "iPad" notebook and keeping the main thing the main thing (10:00) – Why Hobby Lobby is viewed as a ministry, not just a business (13:00) – Preparing the next generations for leadership (16:00) – Contentment and redefining wealth (19:00) – Eternal impact vs. temporary success (20:00) – Projects shaping culture: Bible translation, Museum of the Bible, He Gets Us (26:00) – What Bill and David are loving right now

Resources Mentioned

• The Legacy Life: Leading Your Family to Make a Difference for Eternity — David Green & Bill High

• Leadership Not by the Book — David Green & Bill High

• Museum of the Bible

• He Gets Us Campaign

• OneHope Ministry

Keywords

David Green, Bill High, Hobby Lobby, The Legacy Life, Leadership Not by the Book, family legacy, business as ministry, contentment, generational wealth, Bible translation, He Gets Us, Museum of the Bible, generosity, Christian leadership, faith and business, succession planning, family values, workplace culture.

In this episode of Wealth Beyond Riches, Tim sits down with David Green, founder and CEO of Hobby Lobby, and Bill High, author and legacy consultant, to explore the story behind one of America's most unique businesses—and the values that shaped it.

From a $600 loan and handmade picture frames to over 1,000 stores nationwide, David shares Hobby Lobby's humble beginnings, his parents' influence, and the central role of faith and generosity in shaping both business and family. Bill provides practical wisdom on how families can move beyond short-term thinking to build lasting legacies grounded in mission, vision, and values.

Together, they unpack powerful lessons on family culture, stewardship, and why legacy is more than money—it's what you set in motion for generations to come.

📖 Pre-order their new book The Legacy Life: Leading Your Family to Make a Difference for Eternity: https://amzn.to/4mUVYXU

What You'll Learn in This Episode

• How Hobby Lobby grew from a $600 loan into a $7B+ company

• Why values matter more than business skills in building a legacy

• Practical steps for creating family mission, vision, and values

• The role of guardrails in protecting family time and priorities

• How generosity shapes both family culture and business success

Resources & Links

• The Legacy Life: Leading Your Family to Make a Difference for Eternity → https://amzn.to/4mUVYXU

• Learn more about Bill High's work → https://billhigh.com

• Connect with Tim → https://linktr.ee/timmeisenheimer

Chapters

(00:00) – Welcome & introduction (02:00) – Hobby Lobby's $600 beginning (05:00) – Lessons from David's parents on faith & generosity (07:00) – The shift from survival mode to legacy mindset (09:00) – Why family mission, vision, and values matter (12:00) – Guardrails for faith, family, and business (15:00) – Generosity as a core conviction (18:00) – Inside the family giving meetings (21:00) – Annual family celebration & legacy practices

Keywords

David Green, Hobby Lobby, Bill High, The Legacy Life, family values, legacy, Christian leadership, stewardship, generosity, business story, building a legacy, family mission, faith and business, wealth beyond riches

In Part 2 of our conversation with leadership advisor Brad Lomenick, we dive into what it really means to find clarity as a leader. Brad unpacks the difference between calling and assignment, showing how leaders can navigate seasons of transition without losing their sense of purpose.

He shares his "four quadrants" framework—wiring, passion, God's story, and sustainability—as a practical tool for discovering direction. We talk through why so many leaders struggle with burnout, how to avoid "squatting" in roles that no longer fit, and what it looks like to keep moving from strength to strength.

From coaching executives to walking with young leaders, Brad's wisdom will help you think differently about your own leadership journey.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

• Why calling is the river and assignments are the boats we travel in.

• How to recognize the "through line" in your career.

• Why clarity—not just hard work—prevents burnout.

• The leadership trap of coasting or "squatting" in roles.

• How to retain and develop young talent in today's changing workplace.

• Why friendship and intentional community are critical for leaders.

Resources & Links:

• Brad Lomenick's podcast: H3 Leadership

• Book recommendation: Giftology by John Ruhlin

• The Humble Inquiry by Edgar Schein

If you've ever wrestled with purpose, transition, or leadership identity, this episode will give you both clarity and encouragement.

Chapters

(00:00) – Introduction & Welcome Back

(01:12) – The Heart of a H3 Leader

(06:45) – Leading Through Transitions

(11:30) – Building Leaders vs. Building Platforms

(16:20) – The Power of Proximity

(22:40) – Leadership Pitfalls & Guardrails

(28:05) – Passing the Baton

(34:30) – Faith, Character, and Calling

(39:10) – Practical Advice for Everyday Leaders

(44:00) – Closing Thoughts & Resources

Keywords

Leadership, calling, assignment, clarity, purpose, burnout, career transitions, executive coaching, influence, leadership development, Brad Lomenick, H3 Leadership, talent development, workplace culture, Christian leadership, leadership identity, clarity in calling, Wealth Beyond Riches podcast

In this episode of Wealth Beyond Riches, Tim sits down with Brad Lomenick—strategic advisor, author, podcaster, and leadership connector—to explore the difference between networkers and connectors. Brad shares why clarity is essential for avoiding burnout, how connectors add long-term value, and why generosity and curiosity are the real currencies of influence.

From lessons learned as a ranch wrangler to leading conversations with global CEOs, Brad reveals practical ways to build trust, steward influence, and live with an abundance mindset. This conversation is packed with wisdom for leaders, entrepreneurs, and anyone seeking to build relationships that matter.

Chapters:

(00:00) Why clarity is the antidote to burnout

(01:00) Connector vs. networker: what's the difference?

(04:00) How connectors build trust and credibility

(07:00) Why generosity creates lasting influence

(13:00) Practical steps to shift from networking to connecting

(18:00) The mentors and models who shaped Brad's leadership

(21:00) Lessons learned wrangling horses (and CEOs!)

(27:00) The lost art of asking good questions

Resources & Links:

• Brad Lomenick's podcast: H3 Leadership

• Book recommendation: Giftology by John Ruhlin

• The Humble Inquiry by Edgar Schein

Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review—your support helps spread the message of Wealth Beyond Riches!

Keywords

Brad Lomenick, Wealth Beyond Riches podcast, leadership podcast, H3 Leadership, connector vs networker, building trust in leadership, clarity and burnout prevention, leadership influence strategies, generosity in leadership, authentic relationships in business, leadership lessons, networking vs connecting, Christian leadership, values-driven leadership, servant leadership

What Happens When You Stop Chasing Wins—and Start Building a Life That Matters

In Part 2 of our Wealth Beyond Riches conversation, John Olinger opens up about the shift that changed everything: moving from high-profile projects to high-impact relationships.

John spent years leading digital marketing at Nike—launching global initiatives like Nike Adapt and working on campaigns with icons like Kobe Bryant. But when personal tragedy and deep reflection collided, his definition of success began to change.

This episode explores:

• The behind-the-scenes of John's work with Kobe Bryant and Nike's most innovative projects

• His decision to leave Nike and pursue a more intentional, family-centered life

• The trade-offs he and his wife made to align finances with their values

• And why small, consistent moments—like wrestling with his kids or cheering poolside—can become the most meaningful "wins" of all

This is a powerful reflection on purpose, presence, and the courage to realign your life with what truly matters.

🔹 What You'll Learn:

• How John led global campaigns at Nike—and why he walked away

• The internal shift from performance to presence

• Practical insights on making values-based financial decisions

• How to balance ambition with relational integrity

• The joy of ordinary moments, and why they often matter most

Connect with John Olinger

// Subscribe to the Worthy Wins Newsletter: https://worthywins.co/ // Order Worthy Wins on Amazon: https://a.co/d/hKYkBZd // Check out Unitus: https://www.weareunitus.com // John Olinger on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnolinger/

// John Olinger on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-olinger/

Connect With Tim Meisenheimer

➡️ https://www.instagram.com/tim.meisy

➡️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/meisy

Our mission at Wealth Beyond Riches is for you to reclaim your relationship with work and money. This is not another personal finance show about how to hack your way to riches. We cover the deeper dimensions of finance. These guests have thought long and hard about their relationship with work and money, so they can leverage their purpose and calling to have a greater impact on the world. The goal is that you hear something that moves your life 1% closer to your true purpose.

John Olinger on Worthy Wins, Strategic Living & Investing in What Matters Most

In this episode of Wealth Beyond Riches, Tim sits down with John Olinger, author of Worthy Wins, to explore how to live a story that actually matters.

From his time at Nike to his work coaching leaders and writing his book, John has seen the difference between chasing success and pursuing significance. He unpacks what it means to win in a way that aligns with your values—and why relationships, not resumes, are the true measure of a meaningful life.

Together, they dive into:

• The four pillars of a meaningful story

• Why your calendar is the clearest reflection of what you value

• How to identify your most important relationships

• And how to stop drifting and start living with deep intentionality

This conversation is a blueprint for anyone ready to turn goals into something greater: a legacy of purpose.

🔹 What You'll Learn:

• How to redefine "winning" through the lens of worth and wisdom

• What John learned at Nike—and what he left behind

• How to apply strategic planning to your personal life

• Why deep relationships require intentional investment

• How to align your energy with what truly matters

🎧 Tune in now and discover how to build a life of worthy wins.

(00:00) The Reality of Life's Shortness (00:27) Introduction to Wealth Beyond Riches (01:20) John Olinger's Journey to Nike (05:54) The Clearness Committee and Career Choices (09:29) The Birth of the Book and Newsletter (16:20) Writing Journey and Book Release (20:00) John's Surprising Coffee Shop Confession (20:50) The Impact of a Thoughtful Gift (21:54) Why Write a Book? (22:12) Defining Winning and Success (24:53) The Importance of Relationships (26:49) Investing in Deep Relationships (28:09) Balancing Quality and Quantity of Time (33:58) Creating a Meaningful Story (35:16) Four Pillars of a Meaningful Story

Connect with John Olinger

// Subscribe to the Worthy Wins Newsletter: https://worthywins.co/ // Pre-Order Worthy Wins on Amazon: https://a.co/d/hKYkBZd // John Olinger on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnolinger/

// John Olinger on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-olinger/

Connect With Tim Meisenheimer

➡️ https://www.instagram.com/tim.meisy

➡️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/meisy

Our mission at Wealth Beyond Riches is for you to reclaim your relationship with work and money. This is not another personal finance show about how to hack your way to riches. We cover the deeper dimensions of finance. These guests have thought long and hard about their relationship with work and money, so they can leverage their purpose and calling to have a greater impact on the world. The goal is that you hear something that moves your life 1% closer to your true purpose.