Wealth Coherence

Episode Summary |

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Ash Moraca explore the intersection of wealth and consciousness, particularly in the context of the upcoming Economic Forum in Davos. They discuss personal journeys of consciousness evolution, the importance of leaders awakening to their own divinity, and the need for a new way of operating in the world that balances inner consciousness with outer infrastructure. The dialogue emphasizes the potential for creating meaningful change through awareness and collaboration.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Wealth and Consciousness

03:37 The Journey of Consciousness and Personal Growth

06:13 Reimagining Leadership and Financial Systems

Guest Bio |

Ash Moraca is a next-generation family office leader and founder of Retreat. With an Oxford MBA and training in somatic practices, she bridges finance, entrepreneurship, and consciousness to shape values-based wealth and legacy.

Guest Resources |

Retreat — https://joinretreat.app

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashmoraca

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashmoraca

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this episode, Emily Bouchard speaks with Sarah Pachter about the complexities of relationship coherence, particularly focusing on in-law dynamics, communication, and the transitions newlyweds face. They explore the importance of commitment, respect, and the role of wealth in family relationships, while also discussing strategies for enhancing intimacy and connection in partnerships.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Relationship Coherence

04:01 The Dynamics of In-Law Relationships

06:37 Understanding Inclusion vs. Intrusion

09:33 Navigating Life Transitions

12:23 The Three C's of Successful Relationships

15:05 Commitment in Relationships

17:59 Wealth and Relationship Dynamics

23:20 Navigating Family Dynamics and Generosity

25:37 The Importance of Communication and Transparency

27:39 Respect as a Foundation for Relationships

31:10 Understanding Fairness in Family Relationships

35:08 Enhancing Intimacy: The CAN Approach

41:46 The Power of Communication in Relationships

Sarah Pachter is an award winning, sought after Tedx speaker and author who commands large audiences and draws a vibrant following with her dynamic and personal approach. She has lectured internationally for the past 18 years and is a keynote speaker for several Passover Programs around the world. She has authored two books: Is it Ever Enough? & Small Choices Big Changes. She has been featured on podcasts, radio, and has multiple standing columns. Her articles are featured in numerous publications including the LA times. Many of her articles have reached record breaking numbers of readers and have been translated into several languages. Sarah Pachter is also the host of Starstruck with Sarah Pachter, a new Aish podcast. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband and 5 children.

Guest Resources |

https://sarahpachter.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-pachter/

https://sarahpachter.com/books/

https://www.instagram.com/sarahpachter/

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Jay Hughes explore the multifaceted nature of wealth, emphasizing that it encompasses much more than just financial assets. They discuss the importance of care in the context of trusts, the role of trustees, and the significance of spiritual capital. The dialogue delves into the challenges beneficiaries face when integrating wealth into their lives, the cultural norms surrounding wealth, and the dynamics between first beneficiaries and trustees. Jay shares his aspirations for the future, focusing on alleviating the suffering associated with wealth and ensuring that trusts serve as gifts of love that enhance lives.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Wealth Coherence and Jay Hughes

04:23 The Concept of Care in Trusts

09:20 Enhancing Life Through Trusts

13:39 Spiritual Capital and Holy Things

18:40 Integration Challenges of Trusts

28:44 Navigating the Emotional Landscape of Trusts

32:30 Navigating the Emotional Landscape of Inheritance

33:54 Understanding the Cultural Dynamics of Wealth

38:26 The Role of Trustees and Beneficiaries

50:12 Post-Traumatic Growth and Inheritance

57:02 Aspirations for Future Generations

Guest Bio |

James E. “Jay” Hughes, Jr. is a sixth-generation counselor-at-law, now retired, author and co-author of multiple books and influential articles on family governance and wealth preservation. He is renowned for facilitating multigenerational family meetings, with an emphasis on governance issues. Hughes is frequently called on to address international and domestic symposia on helping families to flourish through the growth of their human, intellectual, spiritual, social and financial capital.

Through his pioneering work with families, Hughes has become the leading voice for a more enlightened, expansive approach to family office management and in turn, a mentor to countless family office executives. In 2021, the James E. Hughes, Jr. Foundation was established to honor Jay and the Hughes family lineage through educational programs and funding for advisors who are similarly called to serve families.

Guest Resources:

https://www.jamesehughes.com/

https://jehjf.org/

https://www.jamesehughes.com/books

Emily's Resources: 

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this special conversation, Emily Bouchard hosts Deb Liu and Bethany Liu, who discuss their family values surrounding money, generosity, and gratitude. They both share personal stories about the importance of intergenerational conversations, the impact of their grandmother's teachings, and how they instill financial literacy in their children. The discussion emphasizes the significance of experiences over material gifts and the role of community in shaping values. The Liu family believes in transparency regarding financial decisions and the importance of teaching children about opportunity costs and trade-offs.

Chapters | 

00:00 Introduction to Family Values and Money Conversations

01:35 The Legacy of Grandparents and Learning from Generations

04:28 Core Family Values: Generosity and Frugality

05:52 Experiences Over Material Gifts

07:58 Teaching Kids About Money and Opportunity Costs

10:21 The Importance of Shared Values in Friendships

15:38 Community and Personal Values

17:17 Sharing Family Values Publicly

Guest Resources |

https://asamnews.com/category/a-tiger-mom-and-her-cub/

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this episode of Wealth Coherence, Emily Bouchard interviews Deb Liu about the challenges and triumphs of being a woman in male-dominated fields. They discuss Deb's journey from engineering to tech, the importance of mentorship, and her book 'Take Back Your Power.' The conversation emphasizes the need for women to assert themselves, address unconscious biases, and collectively speak up for change in the workplace.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Powerful Leadership

03:40 Navigating Male-Dominated Fields

06:41 Empowering Women Through Feedback

09:41 Making Awkwardness Work for You

12:51 Challenging Unconscious Biases

17:29 Collective Courage and Change

Guest Bio | 

Deb Liu is a Silicon Valley tech leader, author, and former CEO of Ancestry.com. She's known for her work at Facebook, where she launched Facebook Marketplace and developed the company's first mobile ad product. Liu is also the founder of Women in Product, a nonprofit that supports women in product management.

Now she helps tech leaders and ambitious professionals crack their own codes through strategic frameworks, authentic relationships, and the art and science of seeing opportunities where others see barriers.

Guest Resources |

https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahliu/

https://debliu.com/

https://www.instagram.com/debliu_?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==

https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B09NCF7XD5

https://asamnews.com/category/a-tiger-mom-and-her-cub/

https://debliu.substack.com/

Emily's Resources: 

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary | 

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Meghan French Dunbar explore the evolving definition of success, emphasizing the importance of intrinsic motivation over traditional extrinsic markers. Meghan shares her personal journey from a high-achieving entrepreneur to redefining success through mental health, family values, and holistic leadership. They discuss the significance of aligning personal and organizational values, the impact of gender dynamics in leadership, and practical strategies for achieving a balanced and fulfilling life.

Chapters |

00:00 Redefining Success: A Personal Journey

10:33 The Shift from Extrinsic to Intrinsic Motivation

20:36 Holistic Leadership: Balancing Masculine and Feminine Traits

25:11 Practical Strategies for a Fulfilling Life

30:32 The Importance of Values in Leadership

Guest Bio |

Meghan French Dunbar is a “business anthropologist” who studies organizations to find ways to improve work for everyone. 

Her first book, This Isn’t Working, came out August 5th, 2025 as the #1 Amazon release for Women In Business and #2 in Workplace Culture, becoming a best-seller in both categories. 

Prior to that, she co-founded the first nationally distributed print magazine in the U.S. focusing on impact-driven business, Conscious Company Magazine, where she interviewed more than 1,000 business leaders; 

In addition to writing, she also works with companies, like Coach, Kate Spade, Leonard Green, and more on leadership and culture development and hosts Better Than This, a podcast all about overhauling business-as-usual

Guest Resources |

https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghanfrenchdunbar/

https://meghanfrenchdunbar.substack.com/

https://www.instagram.com/meghanfrenchdunbar/

https://www.meghanfrenchdunbar.com/

Meghan’s Book - This Isn't Working: How Working Women Can Overcome Stress, Guilt, and Overload to Find True Success - https://bookshop.org/p/books/this-isn-t-working-how-working-women-can-overcome-stress-guilt-and-overload-to-find-true-success-meghan-french-dunbar/3775a58ced9d08f8?ean=9781541704862&next=t&next=t&affiliate=2344

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary | 

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Ashley Quamme explore the intersection of emotional well-being and financial decision-making. Ashley shares her journey from marriage and family therapy to financial therapy, emphasizing the importance of integrating emotional support into financial services. They discuss the role of behavioral officers in financial advisory firms, the complexities of family dynamics, especially in blended families, and the challenges advisors face navigating these conversations. The discussion highlights the need for collaboration among financial professionals to better serve clients and foster trust within family systems. 

Chapters | 

00:00 Introduction to Wealth Coherence and Emotional Finance

05:07 Ashley Quamme's Journey into Financial Therapy

10:33 The Role of Behavioral Officers in Financial Services

16:13 Navigating Family Dynamics and Financial Conversations

21:45 Blended Families and Estate Planning Challenges

27:35 Overcoming Resistance in Financial Advisory Relationships

Guest Bio |

Ashley Quamme is recognized as a leading voice in financial psychology, with nearly 15 years of experience at the intersection of human behavior and money. Trained as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Financial Behavior Specialist®, her work has been shaped by a deep understanding of how emotions, relationships, and biases influence financial decision-making.

Her expertise has been sought by advisory firms, financial institutions, and professional organizations across North America, where she has guided advisors and leaders in embedding behavioral insights into their systems, conversations, and client strategies. Known for bridging the gap between technical advice and human behavior, Ashley’s approach has been instrumental in transforming client experiences, advisor confidence, and firm-wide impact.

Her work has been featured on leading podcasts, industry conferences, and corporate trainings, where she is consistently recognized for making complex behavioral science both practical and actionable.

Guest Resources | 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashley-quamme/

https://www.beyondthefp.com

https://www.instagram.com/beyondthefp/

https://www.planningandbeyond.com/

Emily's Resources | 

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this episode of Wealth Coherence, Emily Bouchard and Nell Derick Debevoise Dewey (Nell3D) explore the intersection of leadership and equine-assisted coaching. They discuss Nell3D's journey into leadership development, the importance of self-awareness, and how working with horses can enhance personal and professional growth. The conversation highlights the scientific basis for the emotional and physiological connections between humans and horses, and shares transformative experiences from participants in equine-assisted leadership programs. In this conversation, Nell3D and Emily Bouchard explore the profound impact of horses on leadership development and personal growth. They discuss how equine experiences can lead to transformative insights, enhance communication skills, and foster emotional intelligence. The conversation emphasizes the importance of nature in personal healing and the necessity for leaders to engage with their surroundings to achieve holistic success. Through personal anecdotes and reflections, they highlight the unique wisdom that horses offer and the significance of subtle communication in leadership.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Leadership and Horses

04:08 Nell's Journey to Leadership Development

09:48 The Importance of Self-Awareness in Leadership

14:59 Equine-Assisted Leadership Coaching

20:01 The Science Behind Horses and Coherence

24:53 Transformational Experiences with Horses

30:01 Leadership Lessons from Equine Interactions

30:30 The Power of Horses in Leadership Development

33:00 Personal Insights from Equine Experiences

35:09 Subtle Communication and Leadership

37:04 The Draw of Nature for Leaders

39:59 Transformative Experiences in Nature

44:07 The Role of Horses in Personal Healing

49:00 Bridging Insights to Everyday Life

52:04 Closing Thoughts on Nature and Leadership

Guest Bio | 

Nell Derick Debevoise Dewey—known professionally as Nell 3D—is a speaker, author, and creator of the Lead in 3D framework, which helps high-performing leaders align their time, energy, and attention across the ME (self), WE (relationships), and WORLD (impact) dimensions of a fulfilling life. A Senior Contributor to Forbes on leadership and an alum of Harvard, Cambridge, and Columbia Business School, she blends psychology, natural wisdom, and leadership strategy to help others unlock The Missing 1%—the difference between impressive success and truly sustainable, sustaining fulfillment. Her work is grounded in lived experience, including her role as a stepmother of three, and the ongoing practice of coherence between what matters most and how we actually live.

Guest Resources |

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nellderickdebevoise/

https://www.youtube.com/@Leadin3D

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelldebevoise/people/nelldebevoise/

https://instagram.com/nelldd

Unlock the Missing 1% diagnostic (in beta!) - https://nelldd.outgrow.us/leadin3d

Forbes column - https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelldebevoise/people/nelldebevoise/

Substack (for free access to paywalled Forbes pieces - officially launching in September) https://substack.com/@nellddd

https://review.brunswickgroup.com/article/equine-assisted-leadership/ https://nell3d.substack.com/p/the-leadership-lessons-horses-have https://nell3d.substack.com/p/all-hands-on-deck

Emily's Resources:

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

In this introductory episode to Purpose Unbridled, Emily Bouchard invites you into a new groundbreaking series exploring the powerful relationship between horses and leadership. Drawing from her experience leading equine retreats and guiding people through equine assisted coaching and equine facilitated learning, Emily reveals how horses help us access deeper levels of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, mindfulness, and authentic presence.

Horses don’t care about titles, money, or social status. They respond to who we are in each moment. Their honest feedback shows us how coherent, grounded, and present we truly are. In this opening episode, Emily shares why horses are remarkable teachers of identity, leadership, and coherence, and how their wisdom can inspire transformation—whether or not you’ve ever spent time with them.

This is the beginning of Purpose Unbridled, a series designed to uncover how the horse-human connection can change the way we live, lead, and relate.

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this episode of Wealth Coherence, Emily Bouchard interviews Damien Steyn, who shares his insights on the intersection of wealth, family, and personal growth. Damien discusses his journey from a traditional financial background to a more holistic approach that incorporates spirituality and emotional intelligence. He emphasizes the importance of inner peace, kindness, and the power of perspective in navigating life's challenges. The conversation also touches on generational differences in understanding wealth and the significance of coherence in families.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Wealth Coherence

01:08 Damien's Journey and Awakening

06:30 The Power of Synchronicity and Wealth Coherence

11:26 Shifting Perspectives on Challenges

16:26 Generational Perspectives and Family Dynamics

23:21 Empowering Change Through Personal Stories

27:10 Embracing Life's Journey

30:17 The Ripple Effect of Kindness

32:22 Incorporating Spirituality in Business

39:33 Navigating Uncertainty with Inner Peace

47:45 Finding Joy in Challenges

Guest Bio |

Damien Steyn was born in Mauritius and currently lives between South Africa and Mauritius. He serves as a Business Development Manager for an international management company, where he assists individuals and businesses in expanding globally.

With experience spanning asset management, startups, corporate and fiduciary solutions, Damien is passionate about bringing coherence to these fields, integrating them meaningfully within family structures to inspire a harmonic generational legacy.

Damien values family, friendship, adventure, and sport. What drives him most is creating space for deep, meaningful conversations that bring clarity, harmony, and truth. Damien’s mission is to empower others and influence lives in ways that lead to lasting, positive transformation.

Damien's Resources |

www.omcgroup.com

​​https://www.instagram.com/damiensteyn?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=MThtMmwycW90NDVsbQ==

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/