Wealth Coherence

Episode Summary |

In this episode, Emily Bouchard and Abby Havermann explore the intricate relationship between emotional intelligence, financial decisions, and personal empowerment. They discuss the importance of heart coherence, self-observation, and the impact of guilt and shame on decision-making. The conversation emphasizes the need for self-compassion and understanding our emotional triggers while navigating the complexities of wealth and personal growth. Abby shares insights from her diverse background in psychology and finance, offering many practical tools for achieving coherence and making empowered choices.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Empowerment and Wealth Coherence

Guest Bio | 

Abby Havermann is a former psychotherapist, TEDx and keynote speaker, certified HeartMath trainer, and Positive Intelligence facilitator with over 30 years of experience guiding people from chaos to clarity. She’s the host of the Intuition Incubator podcast, ranked in the top 5% globally, where she explores the intersection of science, consciousness, and human transformation.

Abby helps ambitious souls, self-help addicts, and visionary leaders align who they are with what they do—in business, parenting, and life. Drawing on neuroscience, ancient wisdom, and her own hard-earned insights, she teaches how to trade burnout and people-pleasing for coherence, clarity, and soul-level success.

Guest Resources |

https://www.youtube.com/@abbyhavermann

https://www.facebook.com/abby.havermann

https://www.linkedin.com/in/abbyhavermann

https://www.instagram.com/abby.havermann/

https://www.abbyhavermann.com/seven-steps-to-stop-self-sabotage

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Deborah Goldstein explore the nuances of philanthropy, emphasizing the importance of aligning giving with personal values and the need for clarity in decision-making. They discuss the overwhelming nature of charitable requests and the significance of family discussions in shaping giving strategies. This dialogue highlights the journey of understanding one's philanthropic identity, the balance between proactive and reactive giving, and the role of children in learning about generosity. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the power of coherence in philanthropy, enabling individuals and families to give meaningfully and intentionally.

Chapters | 

00:00 Introduction to Philanthropy and Coherence

Guest Bio | 

Deborah Goldstein, founder of Enlightened Philanthropy, is dedicated to guiding philanthropists in giving. Drawing from more than 25 years of experience in the nonprofit field, she supports clients on their philanthropic journey helping them align their values with their giving so they can give with clarity and confidence. Goldstein particularly enjoys helping families give collaboratively and experience meaningful moments together as the next generation engages in this process. She is also the creator of Philanthropy Camp for Women, an opportunity for women to explore their giving and learn in community.

Goldstein holds a BA in Biology from Wittenberg University and a Master’s Degree in Marine Policy with a Certificate in Museum Studies from the University of Delaware. She has worked for Oregon State University, the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry, and the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Goldstein is a 21/64-certified consultant. She is also co-Dean of Philanthropy for the Purposeful Planning Institute.

Guest Resources |

https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-goldstein-48b31119/

https://www.instagram.com/enlightenedphilanthropy/

https://www.facebook.com/enlightenedphilanthropy

https://www.youtube.com/@EnlightenedPhilanthropy

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary | 

In this episode of Wealth Coherence, Deborah Goldstein joins host Emily Bouchard to discuss the importance of aligning financial decisions with personal values, particularly in the context of parenting. They explore how to teach children about money, the significance of delayed gratification, and the role of critical thinking in financial literacy. Through some personal anecdotes, Deborah shares her experiences with her son, emphasizing the lessons learned in navigating money conversations and instilling values around giving and spending.

Chapters |

00:00 The Journey of Philanthropy and Saying No

Guest Bio |

Deborah Goldstein, founder of Enlightened Philanthropy, is dedicated to guiding philanthropists in giving. Drawing from more than 25 years of experience in the nonprofit field, she supports clients on their philanthropic journey helping them align their values with their giving so they can give with clarity and confidence. Goldstein particularly enjoys helping families give collaboratively and experience meaningful moments together as the next generation engages in this process. She is also the creator of Philanthropy Camp for Women, an opportunity for women to explore their giving and learn in community.

Goldstein holds a BA in Biology from Wittenberg University and a Master’s Degree in Marine Policy with a Certificate in Museum Studies from the University of Delaware. She has worked for Oregon State University, the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry, and the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Goldstein is a 21/64-certified consultant. She is also co-Dean of Philanthropy for the Purposeful Planning Institute.

Guest Resources | 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-goldstein-48b31119/

https://www.instagram.com/enlightenedphilanthropy/

https://www.facebook.com/enlightenedphilanthropy

https://www.youtube.com/@EnlightenedPhilanthropy

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this episode of Wealth Coherence, Mark Crowley shares his transformative journey from a traumatic childhood to becoming a heart-centered leader. He discusses the importance of emotional intelligence in leadership, the impact of upbringing on management styles, and the significance of fostering employee well-being in the workplace. Mark emphasizes the need for authentic recognition and appreciation in leadership, particularly within family businesses. He also introduces his book focused on elevating well-being in the workplace.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Heart-Centered Leadership

00:56 Mark's Personal Journey and Challenges

04:15 The Impact of Upbringing on Leadership Style

07:56 Discovering the Heart's Role in Leadership

11:56 The Science Behind Heart Coherence

15:04 Authenticity in Leadership

17:30 Navigating Family Dynamics in Leadership

20:51 The Power of Acknowledgment in Family Dynamics

23:29 Creating a Professional Environment in Family Businesses

26:49 The Importance of Individual Recognition

28:48 The Role of Appreciation in Employee Well-being

31:03 Fostering Team Cohesion and Collaboration

35:42 The Heart of Leadership: Caring for Employees

38:16 The Impact of Inclusion in Family Businesses

40:04 The Shift from Engagement to Well-being

Guest Bio | 

Mark C. Crowley is the author of “Lead From The Heart: Transformational Leadership For The 21st Century,” and his mission is to fundamentally change how we lead people in workplaces around the globe. 

Mark is a regular columnist for Fast Company Magazine and has been published in USA Today, Reuters, Forbes, the Stanford Social Innovation Review, the Huffington Post, Gallup, The Financial Times, CEO Magazine, Great Britain, and the Seattle Times.   

His book has been taught in ten American universities, including the educational Ph.D program at the University of Massachusetts Global & at the University of Iowa’s MBA Program. His Lead From The Heart podcast rank in the top 1.5% of all podcasts in the world, and has an audience in 175 countries.

Before writing his book, Mark spent over 20 years in the dog-eat-dog world of Financial Services. He held two national level positions at one of America’s largest financial institutions where he was named leader of the year. Quite untraditionally, Mark proved that deeply caring about and supporting people, and thereby positively affecting employee’s hearts had a profound effect on motivating their sustained engagement, loyalty and productivity.

New and breakthrough medical research Mark draws upon in his book proves that the heart is actually the driver of optimal human performance. A leadership pioneer, Mark shows us that, rather than weak or soft management, leading from the heart is the most informed and enlightened thing a manager or organization can do. 

Mark’s new book, “The Power Of Employee Well-Being: Move Beyond Engagement To Build Flourishing Teams” will be published by Berrett-Koehler in September, 2025. 

Mark is a graduate of the University of California, San Diego and the University of Washington’s Pacific Coast Banking School.  He lives in La Jolla, California.

Guest Resources | 

Twitter:  @markccrowley

LinkedIn: @MarkCCrowley

website: www: LeadFromTheHeart.com

Additional Resources |

Purchase “The Seven Principles That Make Marriage Work” HERE: https://www.amazon.com/Seven-Principles-Making-Marriage-Work/dp/0553447718

Emily's Resources | 

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary | 

In this important conversation, Emily Bouchard and Laurie Israel delve into the complexities of prenups, particularly focusing on the concept of 'generous prenups.' They discuss the emotional and financial implications of prenups, especially for individuals from wealthy families, and the importance of mediation while navigating these discussions. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced in second marriages, gray divorces, and the role of estate planning. Laurie shares her insights on how prenups can sometimes be damaging to relationships and emphasizes the need for a thoughtful approach to financial discussions in marriage.

Chapters | 

00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups

01:21 Navigating Wealth and Prenups

06:13 Mediation in Prenup Conversations

07:30 Second Marriages and Financial Security

10:47 Gray Divorce and Remarriage

11:53 The Role of Family Offices

14:47 Estate Planning and Prenups

16:45 The Impact of Prenups on Young Couples

22:16 Generosity vs. Adversity in Prenups

28:41 Creating a Generous Prenup

Guest Bio | 

Laurie Israel is a nationally known prenuptial agreement attorney and mediator who works with couples formulating prenups throughout the country.  She is the author of "The Marriage-Friendly Prenup" (2025), "The Generous Prenup" (2018), and "Mediating Prenups" (2025. Laurie’s writings have appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Huffington Post, New York Magazine, and many other publications. She can frequently be heard sharing her views on prenuptial agreements on podcasts across the podcast sphere.

Guest Resources | 

laurieisrael.com

https://mediate.com/author/laurie-israel/

https://mcfm.org/mediator-profile/316

Purchase Laurie’s Books Here:

https://www.amazon.com/Generous-Prenup-Support-Marriage-Pitfalls/dp/0999828703

https://a.co/d/3uMnOMu

https://a.co/d/aFSSbqw

Emily's Resources | 

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary | 

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Paul Hood delve into the complexities of prenups in the context of wealthy families. They discuss the importance of purposeful prenups, emphasizing trust, communication, and the need for full disclosure of assets. The conversation highlights the emotional challenges that can arise when one partner comes from a wealthier background, and the necessity of navigating these dynamics with care. They also explore the role of legal representation, the negotiation process, and the significance of understanding family dynamics in creating effective prenups.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups

01:40 Understanding Prenups in Wealthy Families

06:09 Building Trust Through Disclosure

11:26 The Importance of Family Dynamics

17:08 Navigating Emotional Hardships in Prenups

21:10 Empowering Couples in the Prenup Process

24:21 Choosing the Right Legal Representation

28:03 Negotiating Prenups Effectively

33:54 Concerns and Values in Prenup Discussions

Guest Bio |

A “recovering tax lawyer,” Paul Hood’s often  quoted in publications that include Forbes magazine, USA TODAY, and The Wall Street Journal, and he’s been a frequent contributor to Leimberg Information Services, Inc. since its inception, Paul is a highly sought-after speaker and consultant because of his innate ability to see through the complexity and explain difficult and even boring subjects in understandable and entertaining language with his insightful and biting sense of humor, and he minces no words in doing so. Along the way, Paul’s been a father, husband, uncle, Godfather, lawyer, coach, mentor, trustee, member, director, president, partner, trust protector, director of planned giving, expert witness, agent, professor, judge, juror, respondent, and a defendant, and he uses his experience in these myriad roles to guide others.

Guest Resources |

www.purposefulplanninginstitute.com

www.paulhoodservices.com

www.leimbergservices.com

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Jill Mastroianni delve into the often-taboo topic of prenuptial agreements, exploring the importance in fostering open communication and trust in relationships. They discuss how childhood experiences shape our views on money and relationships, the stigma surrounding prenups, and the necessity of having financial conversations before marriage. The discussion emphasizes the significance of emotional regulation and creating a safe space for these conversations, ultimately advocating for a proactive approach to financial discussions in relationships. 

00:00 The Expanding Pie: Collaborative Relationships

01:37 Prenup References

03:47 Misconceptions About Prenups

07:59 Financial Infidelity

11:07 How to Handle a Prenup

15:43 How Childhood Impacts Relationship With Money

21:02 Childhood Experiences and Shame

23:56 The Power of Vulnerability in Relationships

26:46 Navigating Financial Conversations

29:46 Prenups: A Path to Clarity

32:46 Red Flags in Relationships

35:55 Connecting Through Conversations

38:46 Death Readiness and Estate Planning

Guest Bio |

With 12 years of experience as a trusts and estates attorney, Jill bridges the gap between individuals and attorneys, ensuring you feel prepared, informed, and confident before engaging legal professionals.

Whether you’re planning ahead or managing an estate, Jill provides expert guidance, advocacy, and organization—helping you reduce legal fees, simplify complex processes, and make informed decisions at every stage.

Her approach is high-touch and deeply personalized, tailored to your unique needs for clarity, efficiency, and peace of mind.

Jill's Resources | 

https://www.deathreadiness.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jill-mastroianni-98901266/

https://www.youtube.com/@TheDeathReadinessPodcast

Emily's Resources | 

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary | 

In this conversation, Emily Bouchard and Andrea Vacca discuss the concept of purposeful prenups and how to strengthen relationships. They emphasize the importance of collaboration in prenup discussions, moving away from adversarial approaches. The conversation also covers cohabitation agreements, financial disparities in relationships, and the unique considerations for blended families. Throughout, they highlight the need for open communication and understanding of each partner's values and financial obligations.

Chapters | 

00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups

02:02 Understanding Cohabitation Agreements

05:06 The Importance of Cohabitation Agreements

07:43 Navigating Financial Contributions in Relationships

10:44 The Prenup Experience: Balancing Values

16:20 Addressing Wealth Disparities in Prenups

27:59 Divorces with Prenup vs. Without

30:08 Blended Families

Andrea's Resources |

https://www.vaccalaw.com/team/andrea-vacca/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreavacca/

Emily's Resources |

Emily's Resources: https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this episode, Emily Bouchard and Duey Freeman explore the profound impact of attachment theory on relationships and personal development. Duey Freeman shares his extensive experience working with individuals and couples, emphasizing the importance of secure attachments formed in early life. He discusses the unique role of horses in facilitating healing and connection, highlighting how they can teach us about safety and belonging. The dialogue also delves into the complexities of wealth and attachment, urging listeners to reflect on what they long for in their relationships. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the significance of breath, movement, and play in fostering healthy connections.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Duey Freeman's Journey

03:49 Understanding Attachment Theory

09:39 The Role of Horses in Healing

19:08 Wealth, Attachment, and Relationships

28:19 Co-Regulation and Connection with Horses

37:49 Bringing Fun and Presence into Relationships

Duey's Bio |

Duey is a sought-after teacher, trainer, licensed therapist, and equine professional worldwide. 

He has taught worldwide and developed a practical attachment theory and human development theory taught to thousands of university students.

He has nearly 80,000 direct client hours and co-founded the Gestalt Equine Institute and the Gestalt Institute of the Rockies. 

He supervises therapists and graduate students and does business and land consultations for new equine therapy sites.

He embodies both tenderness and strength in all his relations and work. His quality of contact and relationship with others is authentic and unique.  People come from around the world to study with him. 

Duey is a true elder and mentor exploring new horizons in facilitating men’s growth work. Gestalt and Relational Horsemanship are not just approaches to Duey; they are how he walks through the world.

Duey's Resources |

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@dueyfreeman1935

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dueyfreeman/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/duey.freeman

Substack: https://substack.com/@dueyfreeman

https://www.dueyfreeman.org/

https://www.coloradoecotherapyinstitute.com/

Emily's Resources: https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/

Episode Summary |

In this introductory conversation, Emily Bouchard discusses the importance of purposeful prenups, emphasizing that they can strengthen relationships by fostering open communication about finances and values. She encourages couples to explore their personal money stories and navigate financial conversations together, highlighting the emotional dynamics involved in discussing money. The conversation aims to reframe the prenup discussion as a proactive and constructive approach to building a strong and healthy marriage.

Chapters |

00:00 Introduction to Purposeful Prenups

01:52 Why Have a Prenup?

05:42 Values and Stories

10:25 Exploring Your Money Dynamics

13:33 Managing Emotions

Emily's Resources |

https://emilybouchard.com/

https://blendedfamiliesflourishing.com/

Heart*Brain*Horse*Coherence Retreats: https://emilybouchard.com/retreat/