Heba Gowayed discusses her In These Times article, "Borders and the Exchange of Humans for Debt: Borders and debt are new instruments of violence in a system that has had many names." Heba is an Associate Professor of Sociology at CUNY Hunter College. She is author of, "Refuge: How the State Shapes Human Potential."

"The Moment of Truth" with Jeff Dorchen follows the interview.

Check out Heba's article here: https://inthesetimes.com/article/borders-exchange-humans-debt-asylum-global-south

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