In this episode of Well, That’s a Deep Subject, host James D. Newcomb is joined by Marc Mawhinney, host of the Natural Born Coaches podcast and founder of The Coaching Jungle. Together they reflect on the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk, following his tragic assassination at Utah Valley University on September 10, 2025.

Rather than analyzing the politics and lingering grief surrounding Mr. Kirk, James and Marc take a different path: They explore what made him so persuasive and influential. From his natural likability to his willingness to step into hostile environments, Charlie embodied traits that drew people in, whether they admired him or despised him.

The discussion touches on qualities like authenticity, empathy, confidence, and clarity: elements that made him not just a political figure but a case study in influence.

Marc brings a unique perspective as both a seasoned amateur political enthusiast and a keen observer of human behavior in his long career guiding coaches in their entrepreneurial endeavors.

Together, James and Marc consider how Kirk’s style of persuasion created both loyalty and animosity, shaping him into a polarizing yet deeply impactful presence. The conversation also reflects on the broader cultural climate, what Kirk’s influence revealed about the state of debate, the fragility of critical thinking in youth, and the dangers of dehumanization in public discourse.

It’s a thoughtful tribute to a man who left a profound mark, reminding us of the power of presence, conviction, and courage in the war of ideas.

Episode Highlights:

03:00 – Marc shares his early impressions of Kirk and his own experience with campus politics.

06:00 – The power of likability and authenticity in Kirk’s persona.

07:30 – Kirk’s courage to enter hostile environments and speak unapologetically.

09:00 – His respectful approach, even with ideological opponents.

10:15 – How he handled confrontational or unprepared critics with composure.

13:00 – The generational decline in critical thinking and the role of social media.

14:30 – Kirk’s strategic role in shaping U.S. politics and elections.

15:30 – Why audiences saw him as a voice for their unspoken convictions.

17:15 – Stories of persuasion: converting skeptics through clarity and persistence.

18:45 – The polarizing effect of his communication style.

20:00 – Media distortions, misquotes, and the dangers of dehumanization.

23:45 – On vilification, violence, and the blurred line between rhetoric and consequence.

24:30 – Admiration for Kirk’s willingness to face ideological fire head-on.

25:15 – Why his death may strengthen, not silence, his influence.

27:00 – The “Obi-Wan Kenobi” effect: becoming more powerful in death.

29:00 – Final reflections: learning from Kirk’s legacy of persuasion, whether one agreed with him or not.

Charlie Kirk’s life was defined by conviction, clarity, and courage. Whether you viewed him as a champion or an adversary, his ability to persuade and influence was undeniable. As James and Marc reflect, Kirk’s legacy offers a sobering reminder of the responsibility that comes with influence—and the dangers of dehumanizing those with whom we disagree. Ultimately, this conversation is not about politics but about the qualities that make persuasion powerful, and the enduring impact of a man who lived and died by his convictions.

Resources Mentioned

The Coaching Jungle community by Marc Mawhinney thecoachingjungle.com

Charlie Kirk’s book: The Right-Wing Revolution: How to Beat the Woke and Save the West https://amzn.to/42w4xjK

The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt https://amzn.to/46c4hZG

#CharlieKirk #Persuasion #Influence #MarcMawhinney #ThatsADeepSubject #Authenticity #Legacy #Polarization #PublicDiscourse #DeepConversation

The primary focus of this podcast episode centers on the profound implications of recent violent incidents in the United States, particularly the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

We delve into the necessity of exploring deeper narratives beyond superficial facts, examining the emotional and societal ramifications of such tragedies.

Our dialogue emphasizes the desensitization to violence that has permeated contemporary society, as media and cultural representations condition us to perceive acts of violence as commonplace.

We express a yearning for a return to humanity and civility in discourse, positing that the tragedies we discuss serve as catalysts for reflection and potential societal change.

Ultimately, we seek to engage in a meaningful conversation that processes grief and fosters understanding in the face of adversity.

Takeaways:

• In order to truly understand any situation, one must delve beyond superficial observations and emotions.
• The ubiquity of violence in contemporary society, exacerbated by relentless media exposure, demands urgent reflection and discourse.
• Recent events, particularly acts of violence, compel us to reassess our perceptions and the desensitization to human suffering in our culture.
• Engaging in dialogue about traumatic occurrences can serve as a crucial outlet for processing our complex emotions and reactions.
• The significant impact of media on public perception of violence prompts a necessary reevaluation of the content we consume and its implications on societal norms.
• The tragic events discussed serve as a catalyst for potential societal change, urging a return to values that prioritize human dignity and empathy.

Jade Simmons is a creative force who has made a career out of defying expectations, moving seamlessly from Rachmaninov to freestyle rap, from an audience with the President of the United States, to RUNNING for President of the United States.

In this conversation, Jade shares her remarkable journey of embracing disruption, battling stage fright, and discovering that purpose is less about what you do and more about what happens in others when you do it.

She speaks with candor about being a Black woman in the classical world, navigating elitism in the arts, and stepping into unexpected arenas like politics and ministry. We mention The Hero's Journey often on this show, and Jade's story mirrors the myths of old in more than one way.

Indeed, the journey is playing out in real time in our lives, if we have the courage to cross the threshold.

For anyone standing at the edge of change, Jade’s story is an invitation to embrace the adventure, to carve out your own niche in your industry, and to inspire a sense of purpose for those who need it most.

Episode highlights:

00:45 – How James and Jade first crossed paths at Regent University

03:15 – Jade’s unique blend of classical repertoire and hip-hop, and why it equalizes audiences

05:20 – Growing up in a civil rights family and early encounters with elitism in classical music

07:00 – Why Jade returned to school for government studies and how faith informs her work

08:55 – Confirming her 2020 run as an independent presidential candidate and what she learned on the trail

11:30 – Childhood dreams: superhero, president, or concert pianist — and discovering music as her true path

13:45 – Competitions, top schools, and the fulfillment of her dream to perform at iconic venues

17:00 – The “there must be more” moment after reaching classical milestones

18:00 – A season of stage fright that became a turning point — discovering rapport with audiences

20:00 – How speaking from the stage doubled her bookings and opened new doors

22:00 – Craving connection over perfection and breaking performance taboos

24:30 – Pushing boundaries: why she was dubbed “classical music’s #1 maverick”

26:00 – From Mozart to mashups: mixing elite and street music to shift audiences

28:15 – Defining her work as “concert adventures” — from Rachmaninoff to rap with storytelling and inspiration

29:00 – The mentor who urged her to “carve out your corner of the market” and how that shaped her path

33:00 – Creating a brand-new musical identity that welcomes diverse audiences

36:00 – The complexity of elitism, race, and classical music; learning to respond with perspective instead of offense

39:00 – Timeline of transformation: from classical purist to multi-genre performer and speaker

40:00 – Debuting as a rapper at SXSW and learning to take creative risks

41:00 – Holding onto dreams like playing Rachmaninoff’s Second Concerto and Goldberg Variations — while staying committed to her mission

42:00 – Resistance from within, from parents, and from managers — but never from audiences

44:30 – Using improvisation and audience participation as tools for transformation

45:30 – Viewing performance and speaking as ministry; awakening potential and purpose in others

47:00 – On “overcomer” stories: why her greatest obstacle was herself

48:30 – Becoming the “unicorn” in unexpected spaces and embracing courage to do what she was born to do

49:30 – Closing reflections: James ties Jade’s story to the 12-step arc of the Hero’s Journey

51:00 – Jade on telling her story, connecting with people, and living out her mission with authenticity

Jade Simmons has lived what she preaches: that disruption, when embraced, becomes a doorway to destiny. Her story moves from stage fright to standing ovations, from piano competitions to presidential campaigns.

And yet the through-line remains the same — awakening the purpose placed inside each of us.

If you’ve ever felt the tension between who you are and who you’re called to become, Jade’s story is proof that the leap is worth it. As she says, your gift will make room for you.

Resources Mentioned

Jade Simmons Official Website — https://www.jadesimmons.com

Jades' Lakewood Church Presentation (YouTube) — https://youtu.be/xi-rodaVgO4

Regent University (Government Studies program) — https://www.regent.edu/program/phd-in-government/

Van Cliburn Piano Competition — https://cliburn.org

#JadeSimmons #HerosJourney #Purpose #Transformation #ClassicalMusic #FaithAndArt #Leadership #OvercomingFear #PodcastInterview

If you want to get to the heart of any matter, sometimes you have to dig deep. That’s not always easy, but it’s always worth the effort.

In this opening episode, host James Newcomb introduces himself, shares the funny and meaningful story behind the podcast title, and explains why now is the right time to launch That’s a Deep Subject.

James has spent more than a decade in podcasting, beginning with music-focused shows while serving as a U.S. Army musician. Over the years, he discovered his real interest wasn’t just in the what or how of performance, but in the why behind it all. That curiosity led him beyond trumpet, into philosophy, myth, the Hero’s Journey, Orthodox Christianity, and now into PhD studies in government at Regent University.

Along the way, James founded Cheireis Media — a creative company whose name means “grace” and “peace” — and launched the storytelling project Whispers From the Threshold Invisible, exploring myth and meaning through modern media.

This podcast is the next step in that journey: a place for interviews, reflections, and stories that dig beneath the surface into the questions that shape our lives.

What you’ll hear in this episode:

-The story behind the title That’s a Deep Subject — including a memorable dinner with James’ grandfather.

-James’ background as a musician, podcaster, and media creator.

-Why he’s moving beyond music-only projects to explore bigger questions.

-The vision behind Cheireis Media and Whispers From the Threshold Invisible.

-What you can expect from the podcast moving forward.

Connect

Cheireis Media cheireis.com

Whispers From the Threshold Invisible https://threshold-invisible.captivate.fm/listen