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This is Part 2 of an ongoing series with Robert Pape (University of Chicago) breaking down the escalation dynamics of the current conflict with Iran. Follow him at his substack: https://escalationtrap.substack.com/
Over the past week, the situation has evolved rapidly:
In this conversation, we focus on one question:
👉 Where are we now?
According to Pape, the answer is clear:
We are now in the “escalation trap” — and nearing Stage 3.
That next phase could mark a critical turning point, potentially triggering:
Military success does not always translate into strategic advantage.
In fact, as Pape explains, it can create the very dynamics that deepen and prolong conflict.
If you’re interested in practitioner-level insights on national security and geopolitics:
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This is Part 2 of an ongoing series with Robert Pape (University of Chicago) breaking down the escalation dynamics of the current conflict with Iran. Follow him at his substack: https://escalationtrap.substack.com/
Over the past week, the situation has evolved rapidly:
In this conversation, we focus on one question:
👉 Where are we now?
According to Pape, the answer is clear:
We are now in the “escalation trap” — and nearing Stage 3.
That next phase could mark a critical turning point, potentially triggering:
Military success does not always translate into strategic advantage.
In fact, as Pape explains, it can create the very dynamics that deepen and prolong conflict.
If you’re interested in practitioner-level insights on national security and geopolitics:

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