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We’re Jan Smith and Mark Rumbles—longtime colleagues and friends with a shared passion for leadership development. In this season, we bring real conversations to life as we explore the messiness, meaning, and mastery of leadership in practice. No scripts. No perfection. Just jazz-inspired, practical discussions on what it really takes to lead yourself and others.
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We’ve been thinking…all things leadership is a podcast by Jan Smith and Mark Rumbles—two leadership development practitioners who started working together in 2013 at Red Hat, Inc.,…
This show explores the practice of leadership—because “practice” is exactly what it is. Leadership is a fusion of art and science, discovery and application, action and reflection. It’s filled with successes, setbacks, and constant recalibration. The best leaders never stop growing, and they know they can’t develop others in ways they haven’t developed themselves.
Each episode dives into real-life leadership topics with practical insights and grounded stories. Conversations are structured but unscripted, lightly produced, and always real—because leadership is more like a jazz session than a symphony performance.
Who this is for: Curious, growth-minded leaders at any level—from leading yourself to leading an organization of thousands. Who this is not for: If you’re looking for leadership hacks or one-size-fits-all formulas, this probably isn’t your jam.
Join us for straight talk, relevant tools, and reflections to help you lead with clarity, courage, and heart.