On this episode, Yvette interviews Laiken, the borderlands campaigner at the Center for Ecological Diversity. Laiken and Yvette discuss the devastating ecological effects of border wall construction in the Sonoran desert, the horrific desecration of sacred Tohono Oodham sites done in the name of the xenophobic wall, and why it is important for politicians to listen to border residents and the true violence they face.

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